UA1996MAENG Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 On 2/23/2024 at 4:01 PM, GP1 said: 50 percent never play again. It occurs to me that maybe I'm missing the obvious. Many of these young men who enter the transfer portal have been "pushed out" by the coach, i.e. they've been told that they have no future on the roster? I think I read here in other posts that some of Arth's recruits have been, essentially, shown the door over the last two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, UA1996MAENG said: It occurs to me that maybe I'm missing the obvious. Many of these young men who enter the transfer portal have been "pushed out" by the coach, i.e. they've been told that they have no future on the roster? I think I read here in other posts that some of Arth's recruits have been, essentially, shown the door over the last two years. There are a lot of reasons someone may use the TP. The getting pushed out because he didn't develop into a good enough player part bothers me. I believe if a player is pushed off of the team, there should be a full scholarship for him for his remaining years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandZip Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 Looks like the MAC will be adding UMASS in all sports starting in 2025-2026. Got to say I didn’t really see that one coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsrule Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 8 minutes ago, ClevelandZip said: Looks like the MAC will be adding UMASS in all sports starting in 2025-2026. Got to say I didn’t really see that one coming. A friend just texted me that. I am surprised as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, ClevelandZip said: Looks like the MAC will be adding UMASS in all sports starting in 2025-2026. Got to say I didn’t really see that one coming. Complete trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 15 hours ago, GP1 said: Complete trash. The MAC is the lowest rated G5 conference athletically and financially. Adding a large, nationally respected academic institution in a major TV market is harldy a bad idea. I'm not sure there are many potential members that can bring those qualities to the MAC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 18 minutes ago, UA1996MAENG said: The MAC is the lowest rated G5 conference athletically and financially. Adding a large, nationally respected academic institution in a major TV market is harldy a bad idea. I'm not sure there are many potential members that can bring those qualities to the MAC. I was sort of drawing parallels to the B1G adding Rutgers, who you could argue is a P5 equivalent to UMASS. Bigger market team could mean more tv money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 I have no damn clue what the college athletic world is going to look like in the future, but when the B1G and SEC are adding teams even with playoff expansion, some fundamental changes seem to be on the horizon. I hate it, but it is what it is. Better to make moves rather than just sit on the bench and risk death IMO. But of course you want new members to bring something, whether it be more money or raising the level of competitiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 28 minutes ago, LZIp said: I was sort of drawing parallels to the B1G adding Rutgers, who you could argue is a P5 equivalent to UMASS. Bigger market team could mean more tv money? Sure, the Rutgers-Big Ten comparison is valid. Rutgers seemingly offered a vast new TV market for the Big Ten but, as it turns out, NYC still doesn't care about college football. UMASS might not move the ratings needle much either in the greater Boston area, but on paper it's not a bad addition. It's a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 UMass is instantly a top 4-5 bball team - Rutgers isn't top 4-5 in anything in the Big Ten besides gabagool 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandZip Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 33 minutes ago, zippy5 said: UMass is instantly a top 4-5 bball team - Rutgers isn't top 4-5 in anything in the Big Ten besides gabagool Any decent colleges in New Jersey looking to step up from FCS? I’d love to have some of this gabagool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, LZIp said: I was sort of drawing parallels to the B1G adding Rutgers, who you could argue is a P5 equivalent to UMASS. Bigger market team could mean more tv money? The issue with the comparison isn't Rutgers & UMass - it's comparing the Big Ten to the MAC. The Big Ten wants to be in larger TV markets because they have established programs like OSUcks, Michigan, Penn State, etc., that will be heavily consumed by the bigger markets. I certainly agree with increasing the MAC footprint to the Boston market being a positive benefit. But the positive effective of this move won't be felt in whole until we have the other 3 schools added - whomever they may be. Reason being the next TV deal cycle for the G5 conferences will be based on competitiveness. I stated in another thread that the SBC is currently ahead of the MAC in competitiveness. Additions like UMass, WKU, etc., will make the MAC more competitive, and potentially put us ahead of the SBC - again. More competitive conference + bigger markets within the conference = more $$$ That's the equation and the bigger key within the equation is the first component. Edited February 27 by Let'sGoZips94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 27 Author Report Share Posted February 27 5 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said: The MAC is the lowest rated G5 conference athletically and financially. Adding a large, nationally respected academic institution in a major TV market is harldy a bad idea. I'm not sure there are many potential members that can bring those qualities to the MAC. We should look for one then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipCat Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 On 2/22/2024 at 12:15 PM, MangoZip said: Saw an article that this is coming back this summer and every kid will get around $600 payment for using their name and likeness. Probably the only NIL money that Akron kids will get. Oh no...This means they're going to have that GARBAGE new A logo as the logo in the game...yikes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 18 hours ago, GP1 said: We should look for one then. Good luck to us then. There isn't even mid-level TV market in the northeast quadrant of the country that is not already over-staturated with MAC universities. I'd like to see the confernce expand, but what would a Western Kentucky, for exmaple, give the MAC in terms of increased TV revenue? At some point, the MAC has to look at a merger with C-USA, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 (edited) 14 minutes ago, UA1996MAENG said: Good luck to us then. There isn't even mid-level TV market in the northeast quadrant of the country that is not already over-staturated with MAC universities. I'd like to see the confernce expand, but what would a Western Kentucky, for exmaple, give the MAC in terms of increased TV revenue? At some point, the MAC has to look at a merger with C-USA, etc. Think bigger. G5 schools need their own division. Then they need a separate commissioner for football who can organize the teams into a nation football conference. Then they can use their numbers to negotiate better TV deals and payday games. Edited February 28 by GP1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, GP1 said: Think bigger. G5 schools need their own division. Then they need a separate commissioner for football who can organize the teams into a nation football conference. Then they can use their numbers to negotiate better TV deals and payday games. G5 definatley needs to be its own division. However, now all G5 universities want to resign themselves offically to a second tier; some are still convinced they will be the G5 team to make the 12-team field. It's going to be messy for years for the Power 4 (soon to be Power 2) too because of the number of universities who love the media revenue but cannot or will not compete for titles and playoff spots: 70% of the Big 10 will never be in contention. Would those teams drop down to complete with the G5 championship or stay home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 5 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said: G5 definatley needs to be its own division. However, now all G5 universities want to resign themselves offically to a second tier; some are still convinced they will be the G5 team to make the 12-team field. It's going to be messy for years for the Power 4 (soon to be Power 2) too because of the number of universities who love the media revenue but cannot or will not compete for titles and playoff spots: 70% of the Big 10 will never be in contention. Would those teams drop down to complete with the G5 championship or stay home? Why would a Northwestern or Rutgers walk away from $60M-$100M in annualized revenue just so they could compete against Toledo or Marshall for a 2nd rate championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 15 hours ago, kreed5120 said: Why would a Northwestern or Rutgers walk away from $60M-$100M in annualized revenue just so they could compete against Toledo or Marshall for a 2nd rate championship? I don't mean they would. That's the problem. Those programs love the revenue but are at the same time not going to every be a part of the playoff system. The Indianas, Purdues, Northwesterns have had a century of Big10 affiliation and riches and never (or once in a generation) competed at the top. So, if the G5 becomes its own subdivison with its own playoff, I can't imagine that those "Power" programs that are left out of thier own playoff wouldn't somehow be put into the second-tier playoff...because TV money. Sad as it is, a 7-5 Purdue team (likey ranked above almost the entire MAC, for example) is a bigger TV draw than a (God willing) 10-4 Akron. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 23 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said: G5 definatley needs to be its own division. However, now all G5 universities want to resign themselves offically to a second tier; some are still convinced they will be the G5 team to make the 12-team field. It's going to be messy for years for the Power 4 (soon to be Power 2) too because of the number of universities who love the media revenue but cannot or will not compete for titles and playoff spots: 70% of the Big 10 will never be in contention. Would those teams drop down to complete with the G5 championship or stay home? I always look at it like college basketball. Would I rather the Zips compete at the highest level and have a less than 1% of winning a championship or play at the second highest level and have a better chance at a meaningless championship? Youngstown State has 4 national titles and does anyone care? How many people can even name the FCS champion from last season? I'm sure more people know who won the AAC, Sun Belt and MAC last season. Even if our program peaked when we won the MAC Championship or Idaho Potato bowl. To me personally I prefer that to a FCS playoff appearance or whatever. Just like I'd rather see the Zips basketball team make the NCAA tournament and get knocked out in the first round, than win a game in the NIT/CBI. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 29 Author Report Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said: So, if the G5 becomes its own subdivison with its own playoff, I can't imagine that those "Power" programs that are left out of thier own playoff wouldn't somehow be put into the second-tier playoff...because TV money. This would never happen. Who would put them in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 29 Author Report Share Posted February 29 10 minutes ago, akzipper said: Youngstown State has 4 national titles and does anyone care? Some probably still do. What I do know is when it was all happening, it was giving some benefit to the athletes students alumni fans and general community around Youngstown. Isn't that we are trying to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 3 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said: I don't mean they would. That's the problem. Those programs love the revenue but are at the same time not going to every be a part of the playoff system. The Indianas, Purdues, Northwesterns have had a century of Big10 affiliation and riches and never (or once in a generation) competed at the top. So, if the G5 becomes its own subdivison with its own playoff, I can't imagine that those "Power" programs that are left out of thier own playoff wouldn't somehow be put into the second-tier playoff...because TV money. Sad as it is, a 7-5 Purdue team (likey ranked above almost the entire MAC, for example) is a bigger TV draw than a (God willing) 10-4 Akron. I don't think it's a given that a Purdue or Indiana would never make the playoffs in the expanded 12 team format. Forever is a long time and its not like bad P5 programs don't have runs where they find themselves in the top 10-15. Kansas has been one of the worst P5 programs this century. Now they look like a program that will be contending for one of those coveted playoff spots. A 4 team playoff I'd certainly agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 21 hours ago, GP1 said: This would never happen. Who would put them in? " Who?" TV Money + NCAA impotence = who. Money will dicate everything as it already does. I cannot imagine that the universities left out of the big boy playoff (including AP ranked teams) will allow themselves to be left out of the proposed G5 playoff. The NCAA, always a weak and visionless institution, is crumbling as we speak. The "who" will be whatever new governing body or bodies that take over in the power vacuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 21 hours ago, akzipper said: I always look at it like college basketball. Would I rather the Zips compete at the highest level and have a less than 1% of winning a championship or play at the second highest level and have a better chance at a meaningless championship? Youngstown State has 4 national titles and does anyone care? How many people can even name the FCS champion from last season? I'm sure more people know who won the AAC, Sun Belt and MAC last season. Even if our program peaked when we won the MAC Championship or Idaho Potato bowl. To me personally I prefer that to a FCS playoff appearance or whatever. Just like I'd rather see the Zips basketball team make the NCAA tournament and get knocked out in the first round, than win a game in the NIT/CBI. I think YSU cares about those championships and that's enough. To stick with YSU as our subject, YSU really cannot rise any higher. Even if the university had aspirations to move up to D1-A (as we used to call it), the university simply does not have the resources to make that move plus stagnant and decling enrollement ends any hope of that move for many universities. The entire MAC, so-called D-1A, is now at risk of falling even lower than they have ever been due to circumstances that these universities did not create; if the MAC and other G5 conferences were second-tier to the P5 before 2023, now we're a de facto farm system for the Power 4. In this environment, how often do you think a MAC member will make this playoff system that begins this fall? I think the answer is never, but that does not mean I'll not support the Zips within any subdivision they end up in or for any post-season level in which they participate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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