Early Football Previews and Predictions: Game Twelve at Bowling Green

[GP1]

2 hours ago, Hilltopper said:

 BTW, if you could share with me where I can get a guaranteed 10% return on my $2 million please send me a DM.

S&P 500 the past few years. Get you money out of the coffee can in the pantry grandpa. 

 

2024, 23 percent

2023, 24 percent

2022, 18 percent

2021, 28 percent

2020, 18 percent 

[Let'sGoZips94]

23 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

More than the Zips. 

 

Kent Coaches and Support staff

 

22 coaches. including 4 grad assistants

12 support staff

 

Akron Coaches and Support Staff

 

12 coaches, zero grad assistants

6 support staff

 

Beyond that, Kent practiced 25% more than Akron was allowed, and most of that is on Arth. 

 

And...I'm note re-re-re-typing all the other stuff. 

 

Kent beat Akron in OT because they have a really good QB. They probably even have some NIL money to keep him. 

 

 

And they presumably had the 38 staff personnel when they were going 1-23 correct? The only thing that changed was HC? 

 

DeShields isn't a really good QB. He has a 46.4 QBR this year (104th in the country). He has only had 3 200+ passing yard games this season, with Akron being his only 300+ passing yard game. 

 

Akron needs to get to Kent-level staffing, I agree. Them having a GM is interesting as well. However, the X's & O's, the motivation capabilities, and the execution on the field matter more than anything. That's my gripe with JoeMo. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Let'sGoZips94

[clarkwgriswold]

It's coming back to me why I am happy at the end of a Zips football season and sad at the end of a Zips basketball season.

[exit322]

7 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

Akron needs to get to Kent-level staffing, I agree. Them having a GM is interesting as well. However, the X's & O's, the motivation capabilities, and the execution on the field matter more than anything. That's my gripe with JoeMo. 

 

That's pretty much it.  Yeah, Akron's a tough job.  No one's pretending it's easy.  Joe isn't the type of coach that has any chance of thriving at this sort of tough job.  Carney...just might be the type who can thrive at a Kent-type job.

 

As an aside, how about a Chris Creighton at EMU (EMU being the actual type of job that many here think Akron is), who is 61-82 at a school whose last three coaches (and related interims) were 39-125.  While his record isn't exactly stellar, if a guy can get EMU to five bowl games in 12 years...under current rules, between 1987 (their actual last bowl) and when Creighton arrived in 2014, they'd have had 3 or 4 bowl appearances (they had four years with an eligible record, but two FCS wins in 2011 would disqualify them without a waiver).

 

If Eastern Michigan can go bowling about half the time...Akron should be able to reach that goal.  But it will take work and the correct next hire when Joe leaves.  That, traditionally, will be the tough part of this equation.

[LZIp]

3 hours ago, Hilltopper said:

We have donors who have contributed that much to Akron Athletics to create endowments. Just not for football. BTW, if you could share with me where I can get a guaranteed 10% return on my $2 million please send me a DM.

Look at the historical average of the S&P 500.

[zippy5]

That's not how endowments typically are distributed. Usually 4-5% of the balance can be distributed annually

[kreed5120]

1 hour ago, exit322 said:

 

As an aside, how about a Chris Creighton at EMU (EMU being the actual type of job that many here think Akron is), who is 61-82 at a school whose last three coaches (and related interims) were 39-125.  While his record isn't exactly stellar, if a guy can get EMU to five bowl games in 12 years...under current rules, between 1987 (their actual last bowl) and when Creighton arrived in 2014, they'd have had 3 or 4 bowl appearances (they had four years with an eligible record, but two FCS wins in 2011 would disqualify them without a waiver).

 

If Eastern Michigan can go bowling about half the time...Akron should be able to reach that goal.  But it will take work and the correct next hire when Joe leaves.  That, traditionally, will be the tough part of this equation.

 

I think you would be surprised about EMU. They probably have one of the more involved NIL programs in the MAC. Charlie Batch is kind of the face of it and he has recruited other well off EMU alumni to help bankroll it.

 

In fact, they offered Caleb Williams $1 million if he would transfer to EMU. Obviously that was never going to happen and he went to USC instead, but the offer was on the table.

[kreed5120]

1 hour ago, zippy5 said:

That's not how endowments typically are distributed. Usually 4-5% of the balance can be distributed annually

 

Correct, also pulling out 4%-5% per year allows the investment to grow so that it doesn't lose value to inflation.

 

Endowments are more designed to preserve capital than to look for rapid growth. They will probably be 30-40% bonds and 60-70% equities. Similar to what's recommended to retirees. 

[Let'sGoZips94]

21 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

 

I think you would be surprised about EMU. They probably have one of the more involved NIL programs in the MAC. Charlie Batch is kind of the face of it and he has recruited other well off EMU alumni to help bankroll it.

 

In fact, they offered Caleb Williams $1 million if he would transfer to EMU. Obviously that was never going to happen and he went to USC instead, but the offer was on the table.

 

Don't forget about Max Crosby, too. 

[a-zip]

5 hours ago, GP1 said:

Parade someone like Eddie George through their door and see what happens. 

Again, we had the Bowdens, Tressel, Faust, Amato at one point.  We "Fd" that up!

[GP1]

3 minutes ago, a-zip said:

Again, we had the Bowdens, Tressel, Faust, Amato at one point.  We "Fd" that up!

That's a pretty easy list to screw up. Amato? You're digging pretty deep to make a point. 

 

Let's play a game. Who is more relatable to the athletes students alumni fans and general community around Akron?

 

Eddie George or The Bowdens?

 

Eddie George or JT?

 

Eddie George or Faust?

 

I can't believe I'm about to type this....  Eddie George or Chuck "Chesty" Amato?

 

There is a reason they sold out two games this season. 

[exit322]

32 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

 

I think you would be surprised about EMU. They probably have one of the more involved NIL programs in the MAC. Charlie Batch is kind of the face of it and he has recruited other well off EMU alumni to help bankroll it.

 

In fact, they offered Caleb Williams $1 million if he would transfer to EMU. Obviously that was never going to happen and he went to USC instead, but the offer was on the table.

 

Oh, so they got serious about their program and leveraged the assets they do have.  Ah, ok.  That makes sense.

Edited 19 hours ago by exit322

[ZippyDoo]

OMG let's play a game how many wet dreams has GP1 had involving himself and eddie george? i'll start with at least 15 this football season...

 

These players don't even know who eddie george is !!!  

 

The team went 1-6 in the conference and 3-8 overall. they had three players recently arrested and if you were at the game last night you would have seen them on more than one occasion acting like less than desirables. 

 

I'll stick with Joe Mo. thank you. 

[kreed5120]

21 minutes ago, ZippyDoo said:

OMG let's play a game how many wet dreams has GP1 had involving himself and eddie george? i'll start with at least 15 this football season...

 

These players don't even know who eddie george is !!!  

 

The team went 1-6 in the conference and 3-8 overall. they had three players recently arrested and if you were at the game last night you would have seen them on more than one occasion acting like less than desirables. 

 

I'll stick with Joe Mo. thank you. 

No different than the people proclaiming Deion was going to be the next Nick Saban 3 games into his Colorado tenure. Meanwhile, with 1 game remaining in year 3 he sits at 16-19 overall while playing in a weakened Big 12. That was also with a heisman winner and his son playing QB for 2 of those years.

 

Great players don't necessarily translate to great coaches. Let's see Eddie George make it to Detroit or at least make a few bowl games before we start praising his 'success'.

 

That's not to say a great player can't also be a great coach, but it's far from a guarantee that some are trying to make it out to be.

Edited 19 hours ago by kreed5120

[Lee Adams]

20 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

Sometimes you just gotta be the tallest midget.

 

Clutch play by Bruno! 🇩🇪💪🏽
 

5-wins despite the smallest staff, smallest budget, no NIL, can’t even afford grad assistants, no travel allowed for recruiting, going stretches without a meal plan, limited to 25% fewer practices than his competition…the Zips should have been UMass this season but instead won 5.

 

As much as my eyes burn from watching the game tonight I give the staff and players mad props for going .500 in the MAC and winning 5 games for the first time in 8 years while being blindfolded, with two cinder blocks tied to each coach’s legs. 
 

We’ll see what the future holds for the 2026 Zips. The ball is in Goodrich's hands to objectively determine how much the restrictions placed on this staff contributed to the close losses to Wyoming, UAB, Kent etc. And to figure out a plan to break free from the crippling financial shackles imposed on this year’s team. UA needs to invest in football within reasonable and responsible limits.

Completely handcuffed, the Zips were within an eyelash of bowl eligibility. By providing the team with just the basics…the ability to travel to recruit talent, practices like everyone else, a couple grad assistants, a few bucks to keep some key players…it is the difference between winning 5 games and winning 8. 

Well.. a win is a win. Before the season I said 4-4 in the MAC was minimum. They got that. But I also said major program changes were/are needed. Yep. The more I read posts here about the lack of support from Administration for for football the more obvious it is. If the Admin. refuses to support the program at a DI level then they have to get out of DI! The record spesks for itself. Changing coaches is like moving the bulbs on the Xmas tree. Same tree.

Either put up for DI or drop to 1AA or DII where U can afford to compete every season. Not a big Moorehead fan anymore but the problems go far deeper.

[MDZip]

10 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

will identify a "unicorn" coach that only wants a $300,000/year salary, that flits about Summit and Stark counties with a wicker basket collecting NIL money from scores of donors happily willing to fill it up, 

I can't believe you didnt just say Tim Tyrell. 😉

[ZippyDoo]

central michigan is about to beat kent state. they are beating them 21-9 with four minutes left

 

that means that central michigan is still in the running for mac championship AND kent will not be going to a bowl. 

 

its like yay we beat central michigan still competing for the championship but in the same breath we freaking lost to kent state !!!

Edited 16 hours ago by ZippyDoo

[GP1]

8 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

Great players don't necessarily translate to great coaches. Let's see Eddie George make it to Detroit or at least make a few bowl games before we start praising his 'success'.

For those of us who actually follow the MAC we understand how difficult injuries can be on a team. Nick Saban isn't going to win in the MAC with bach up quarterbacks. 

 

Let's review. Before the injury bug got them, they had wins against Liberty, Lafayette and a Toledo team that could finish with 8 wins and a bowl. BG was easily on their way to a bowl and an outside shot at Detroit based upon their remaining schedule. 

 

I know how easy (lazy) it is to use facts as reasons. The fact is BG is on a long losing streak. The reasons are pretty clear. To think Eddie George, Nick Saban, Woody Hayes or anyone else would couch their way out of it would be stupid. George made the FCS playoffs last year at a school that I don't think had ever made it. Sanders won at Jackson State. Colorado is a black hole of college football misery and long term success there isn't realistic. BG isn't a black hole and I anticipate him doing well there for as long as he wants to.

[GP1]

13 hours ago, Hilltopper said:

You'll need to call the MAC commissioner for that to happen! Good luck!📞

Maybe the conversation could sound something like this. "Mr. Commissioner, you are killing us with the schedule. All we ask is to play our rival when the weather is nice on a Friday early in the season so we can have a decent crowd. You did it for the BG/Toledo rivalry and all they did was sell out a stadium and put on a very exciting game. We all know the only people dedicated to weeknight games are drunks and degenerate gamblers. Gamblers will bet on anything and drunks will drink to anything, so trading Kent for another MAC school on a Tuesday night won't matter. Would it be too much to ask for you to dislodged your head from your ass for a few minutes to schedule the Akron/Kent rivalry early in the season?"

 

There you go. Problem solved. 

[ZipsBBjunkie]

12 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

No different than the people proclaiming Deion was going to be the next Nick Saban 3 games into his Colorado tenure. Meanwhile, with 1 game remaining in year 3 he sits at 16-19 overall while playing in a weakened Big 12. That was also with a heisman winner and his son playing QB for 2 of those years.

 

Great players don't necessarily translate to great coaches. Let's see Eddie George make it to Detroit or at least make a few bowl games before we start praising his 'success'.

 

That's not to say a great player can't also be a great coach, but it's far from a guarantee that some are trying to make it out to be.

And now Deion has set up the departure on his own terms for medical reasons before they totally fall off the cliff back to mediocrity or worse. AD is already out there so another reason he has leave on his own terms vs get fired. Deion came in and he and his sons cashed in from both the University and all the endorsements that went along with it. Brilliant. 

[exit322]

3 hours ago, GP1 said:

Maybe the conversation could sound something like this. "Mr. Commissioner, you are killing us with the schedule. All we ask is to play our rival when the weather is nice on a Friday early in the season so we can have a decent crowd. You did it for the BG/Toledo rivalry and all they did was sell out a stadium and put on a very exciting game. We all know the only people dedicated to weeknight games are drunks and degenerate gamblers. Gamblers will bet on anything and drunks will drink to anything, so trading Kent for another MAC school on a Tuesday night won't matter. Would it be too much to ask for you to dislodged your head from your ass for a few minutes to schedule the Akron/Kent rivalry early in the season?"

 

There you go. Problem solved. 

 

The only problem is that I believe the TV contract does dictate for some of the rivalry games to be played on the weeknight games.

 

But yeah...let's open the schedule with Kent...I'm sure Miami/Ohio and Bowling Green/Toledo (that one sold out Doyt Perry this year) would also like to always keep those games on Saturdays.

[kreed5120]

6 hours ago, GP1 said:

For those of us who actually follow the MAC we understand how difficult injuries can be on a team. Nick Saban isn't going to win in the MAC with bach up quarterbacks. 

 

Let's review. Before the injury bug got them, they had wins against Liberty, Lafayette and a Toledo team that could finish with 8 wins and a bowl. BG was easily on their way to a bowl and an outside shot at Detroit based upon their remaining schedule. 

 

I know how easy (lazy) it is to use facts as reasons. The fact is BG is on a long losing streak. The reasons are pretty clear. To think Eddie George, Nick Saban, Woody Hayes or anyone else would couch their way out of it would be stupid. George made the FCS playoffs last year at a school that I don't think had ever made it. Sanders won at Jackson State. Colorado is a black hole of college football misery and long term success there isn't realistic. BG isn't a black hole and I anticipate him doing well there for as long as he wants to.

 

And I'm not saying George can't do well. Let's just wait until he has success before we praise him for it. We can check back in 2-3 years.

 

Edit: As for Deion Indiana is just as hard, if not harder, to win at than Colorado. Especially since the Big 10 is vastly more competitive compared to the Big 12. The coach that deserves praise for turning a program around is Cignetti. Deion had a heisman winner and is still only 16-19 during his tenure.

Edited 3 hours ago by kreed5120

[a-zip]

17 hours ago, GP1 said:

That's a pretty easy list to screw up. Amato? You're digging pretty deep to make a point. 

 

Let's play a game. Who is more relatable to the athletes students alumni fans and general community around Akron?

 

Eddie George or The Bowdens?

 

Eddie George or JT?

 

Eddie George or Faust?

 

I can't believe I'm about to type this....  Eddie George or Chuck "Chesty" Amato?

 

There is a reason they sold out two games this season. 

First of all.... I think Tressel and the Bowdens are WAY more well known than Eddie George to today's student athletes (and parents) and WAY more credible as coaches. You can make your individual comparisons all you want.  My point was we had THEM ALL here at one time and f'd it up.  Collectively it is not even close.