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Each unit is about a total of $2 million and is spread over 6 years. That means the conference gets about 333K each year. If that gets divided evenly it comes out to ~28k per team each year for 6 years. The Toledo Blade did an article last spring/summer and people around the MAC were estimating Akron has a $1 million roster. UMass collective claims I believe something closer to $1.5 million. A program like WMU would probably have to spend an additional $200k-$400k on coaches/staff and an additional $300k-$400k in NIL to just become a competitive mid-major. The MAC earning an occasional at-large bid isn't going to cover those costs.

Yeah, something like that. But then in the box score, it says 4,847.

I wonder if folks truly understand how much $$$ is at stake for the MAC getting a second bid? It's not a 1-year payday, it's a 5-year payday, and higher if one or both MAC teams advance a round or two. Being a Top 12 league may have been enough to get Miami an at-large. Now, giving Miami an at-large only incentivizes other teams to play weak schedules, build gaudy records, then expect the NCAA to give them a pass into the tournament. Believe me, the NCAA is not going to open that can of worms by giving Miami an at-large bid.

I wonder if they are even having a pro day this year?

It’s been close to decade since the Zips have had somebody at the combine.

"Saving Coach Ryan"

82 combined 3 pointers in the game! How the world has changed.

I agree with a lot that is being said here. I just think the problems run much deeper than coaches complaining about these games. There are only a handful of teams actually trying to compete to make the big dance. Of these really only Akron, Miami, and UMass have the budgets to make real noise. Programs like WMU, CMU, and NIU don't seem to be remotely trying. In fact, if they could spend less to have more money for football, or in WMU case hockey, they would. You can probably throw EMU in there as well, but they look slightly more competent than the others as Heath managed to find 1-2 gems that cost little to no NIL.

Just amazing they had reporters dedicated to specific high school leagues.

Great interview with Amani here

All of this is fine and dandy. But the key is to take advantage of these games and win. The recent Sun Belt debacle shows what happens when (Akron included) teams seemingly snub their noses at these opportunities. Those Sun Belt games were tee-d up for the MAC to make hay and climb closer to being ranked among the Top 12 Conferences in the country -- instead of falling back down closer to near No. 20. Clearly MAC coaches/players looked at those games as a break in MAC play, not a chance to rise above. MAC only won 3 games but were favored in nearly all of them. I remember when 'MAC' teams pulled for all 'MAC' teams in these types of games, but not so much anymore. I remember when coaches took winning these games as a source of team/MAC pride. Now most privately and publicly bitch about playing them. Until the MAC, the players and the coaches all take winning thee games seriously again, they will never make a positive difference. Miami is undefeated. But you're only as tall as the shoulders you stand on. And right now MAC shoulders belong to midgets. If Miami fails to be an NCAA Tournament at-large team this season, every team in the MAC should look in the mirror, then call Miami and tell them 'we're sorry.' Folks will say they beat nobody. Using the Sun Belt Challenge as an example ... they would be right.

108-105 in 2OT.

Wow Akron with a big upset win over Ohio. Zips are 4-1 in conference after starting off 0-8.

any Zips from last year doing the combine next week??? Dewalt is the only I remember mentioning that something about draft eligible? It would fun to watch if there was anyone

I didn't mean a carbon copy event. Simply playing top OOC mid major competition in January/February. If it takes multiple games in one event, do it. Get an event going where 3 games are played between 6 of the highest NET mid majors. Otherwise, campus site games will do just fine.

It could all be true. It could also be one of those things people close to athletic departments buy because they over trust those working in those departments.

IIRC they announced an attendance of 5,114.

I'm just going by what I've heard on this board (by @Hilltopper,IIRC?). I hope there's nothing to it.

Those events do exist. Akron played Murray State in Vegas. Ohio played St. Bonaventure in Cleveland. They're just part of double or triple header events. Michigan and Duke are large national brands with deep pocketed alumni. If they played a game in Butte, Montana 10k people would still show. If Akron played Northern Iowa at the Kia Center in Orlando, FL (and that was the headline event) how many people do you think would honestly show? Now remember renting out an NBA arena for a day probably costs $100k, perhaps more, and you receive none of the parking or concession revenue. Both teams would eat heavy financial losses.

#1 Michigan plays #3 Duke on Saturday at a neutral site game in Washington DC. It's pathetic that mid majors aren't doing something like this to help themselves.

Yeah, it's definitely worse than before COVID. But also, I'm not sure our reported numbers are always right. Obviously many teams report numbers higher than actual due to tickets sold that no showed, etc. And I'm sure we also do that sometimes. But I also noticed that at the Kent game, they announced in the arena an attendance of 5,100 or so (I couldn't hear the exact number), but the reported attendance in the box score was 4,800 or so.

They actually have fairly good fan support, especially when you consider they have been a below average to average MAC team for the past 2 decades. Currently 5th in the MAC in attendance. Averaging about 750 more fans per game then even we are. Speaking of which I didn't really our season average has sank so low. We're only slightly above 2k/game. It wasn't long ago that we were pushing 3k per game.

Football success or basketball success - pick one. Kinda what it feels like.

Ocker, Melody, Zban. I'm sure I had read some of the others. Nice thread resurrection!

Good points. I don't think OU and Miami see themselves as "backfill", but that's what they would be. Running to a dying conference is a bad idea.