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I missed the game as I had plans. Looking at the box score I see we were out gained nearly 2 to 1, were the more penalized team, and allowed WMU to convert a high % of their 3rd and 4th downs. Despite all this we still managed to find a way to win on the road against a pretty good team. Bravo! I need to find a replay somewhere. Go Zips!

I've already stated if we had a product good enough to watch, more people would show up. IDK who you're arguing with?

Based off the camera quality I'd guess this commercial was made before I was born so nope I don't remember.

I want the 20 minutes back that I spent reading this.

The biggest surprise is probably Buffalo. Even in their losses they were very competitive. Its early but teams are performing a bit as expected.

Apples to oranges comparison. Big schools don't plow all their resources into men's soccer like they do football and to a lesser extent men's basketball.Our football program will NEVER compete for national titles.

The JAR is always a little more packed when the Zips are receiving AP votes and national recognition compared to when it isn't. The program never did enough in March to get the community to buy-in. Consistently being a 9-11 win football team won't fill Infocision, which was built a little too big IMO, but getting to a real 15k attendance average would totally be feasible.

IDK why I bother going to this thread. Its always the same old same old. Have a product worth watching and people will show up.

Yes, and they are #17 in the nation in rushing yards facing an Akron team that hasn't shown the ability to stop the run. I wouldn't count on the Zips stuffing their running game. WMU IMO is just flat out the better team. Luckily for us the better team doesn't always win. The great equalizer is turnovers where I feel Akron needs to be +2-3 to be in a position to win this late.The fact you mention WMU doesn't turn the ball over much only decreases Akron's chances of winning.

I'm not buying the Zips being able to slow down the WMU ground game. The Zips IMO will need to find ways of creating turnovers to have any chance of stealing this game.

Attendance requirement is irrelevant TBH. Averaging 15k fans at the ticket prices Akron charges isn't some magical break even number in terms of revenue meeting expenses. Its already well documented that schools that don't meet the 15k fans fudge the numbers so that's no barrier whatsoever. The barrier is whether schools feel the deficit a program runs will be offset by advertising, alumni relations, college atmosphere, etc. that college athletics brings to the University.

Its exactly how it works. The deterrent isn't the attendance requirements, its the fact that a poorly supported program will lose schools several million dollars.

Bowl games actually lose us money. I'm still all for bowl games but don't be mistaken thinking they bring us closer to the black.

Trying to get a little too fancy there. With the ball at the 1 and a timeout left they would have had enough time to run 3, maybe 4, straight QB sneaks. I'd take my odds with that.

Ticket sales the 1st 2 games were padded. Those tickets the University buys aren't really hurting them financially. They are both the payor and payee in said scenario. It would be like if I decided to change my oil and changed myself $25 dollars to do it. I still own that $25 but it was just moved to another account. Would it be great to have a football program that financially supported itself? Certainly, but at only $60 for season tickets and $15 for single game, the University would need to average much more than 15k per game to break even on football. That attendance is an arbitrary number provided my NCAA. The real number that matters is how much external revenue the program generates less the cost of running the program.

Clueless newcomer. We might be able to hit 10k before the University and whatever sponsors buy tickets to meet NCAA guidelines.

The wager was on which team will finish with more wins. Hilltopper and I had WMU. You, @LZIp, and @blue & gold (I don't know why it won't let me tag you) had Akron.

I'm not one to really care for uniforms and such, but I will admit we have some of the best uniforms in all of college football.

I think this will be a 1 score game. If Ball was available, I'd have Zips winning.

If Wolf can finish out the season healthy, I like my chances.

I've been one of the biggest Bowden critics on this board and I'm in agreement. Can we just enjoy the win for a week? There will be IMO plenty of other losses throughout this season that we can have these discussions.

It's a terrible shame.

I'm completely against schools paying players. I have no problem with players making money off their likeness.

The sanctions need to be severe enough to make programs not want to risk it in the future. Louisville will definitely has wins vacated, but that's pretty trivial IMO. They should be forced to pay back tourney credits and have 2-3 scholarships docked for a few years.

This is college football, 60% of the teams make bowl games including a few 5-7 teams. After tie-breakers we finished 7th that year in the MAC out of 13 teams. That is indeed the bottom half of the conference. You keep trying to compare the Zips to Zips teams of old. That's not the benchmark we should be striving for. We should be striving to be one of, if not the best, program in the MAC. In year 6 we're nowhere close to being there. I don't think Creighton is the next coming of Fleck, but he certainly has them progressing. They actually compete against the MAC top teams, we really haven't. They surprised everyone last year and look even better this year. Bowden's Akron team peaked in year 4 and has regressed since. All programs suffer injuries. Those same guys who were starting because of injuries last season are now starters and the reason we are losing this season. Edit: We're in year 6. That's an eternity in the coaching world. We might be the only fan base in the country that would have fans defending a coach that is well on his way to going making 1 bowl game in 6 years.