GP1 Posted March 1 Author Report Share Posted March 1 37 minutes ago, UA1996MAENG said: " Who?" TV Money + NCAA impotence = who. Money will dicate everything as it already does. I cannot imagine that the universities left out of the big boy playoff (including AP ranked teams) will allow themselves to be left out of the proposed G5 playoff. The NCAA, always a weak and visionless institution, is crumbling as we speak. The "who" will be whatever new governing body or bodies that take over in the power vacuum. You are envisioning a state of greed and a general state of athletic director destruction that I can't. This is what I can't see. The G5 schools go their own way and have a playoff. A 7-5 Indiana team gets invited to play in their playoffs in place of a G5 school? It would be more embarrassing for Indiana than an accomplishment. It's why some schools aren't even shameless enough to play in the CBI Tournament. If Indiana wins I'll, are they going to claim a national championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 The games haven't been made insufferably long enough. We need a two minute warning! https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/two-minite-warning-rules-committee-proposal.html Someone explain to me exactly what problem this solves other than how TV networks can make fans attending games more miserable while selling more advertising time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 5 hours ago, GP1 said: The games haven't been made insufferably long enough. We need a two minute warning! https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/two-minite-warning-rules-committee-proposal.html Someone explain to me exactly what problem this solves other than how TV networks can make fans attending games more miserable while selling more advertising time. Interesting. Last year they changed rules to shorten the game. Now want to add a 2 min warning to lengthen it. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 31 minutes ago, LZIp said: Interesting. Last year they changed rules to shorten the game. Now want to add a 2 min warning to lengthen it. lol I don't know what word to use for it, but the endless money grabs in college athletics are just obnoxious or gross or whatever word could be used to describe it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 I'm glad they are at least getting close to allowing radio communications between coaches and players. That should chop off about 10 seconds every play of the QB having to stare at the sidelines and decipher hand signals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, ZippyRulz said: I'm glad they are at least getting close to allowing radio communications between coaches and players. That should chop off about 10 seconds every play of the QB having to stare at the sidelines and decipher hand signals. There is another way to look at this. It could extend time between plays. By doing so, there will be less incomplete passes and time stoppage reducing actual time of the game. The quality of QB play in college football is getting worse. What is extending game time is endless incomplete passes by these bad QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 On 3/1/2024 at 9:16 AM, GP1 said: You are envisioning a state of greed and a general state of athletic director destruction that I can't. This is what I can't see. The G5 schools go their own way and have a playoff. A 7-5 Indiana team gets invited to play in their playoffs in place of a G5 school? It would be more embarrassing for Indiana than an accomplishment. It's why some schools aren't even shameless enough to play in the CBI Tournament. If Indiana wins I'll, are they going to claim a On 3/1/2024 at 9:16 AM, GP1 said: The greed system is already in place or we wouldn't be witnessing the destruction of the Pac 12 and the early signs that the SEC and Big10 are aligning to dominate the playoff selection process and seedings to undercut the Big 12 and ACC and eventually demote those conferences into the second tier, at least a large number of those conference members. Within 5 years it'll be wery different and none of those cghanges are good for the G5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 On 3/2/2024 at 4:11 PM, GP1 said: I don't know what word to use for it, but the endless money grabs in college athletics are just obnoxious or gross or whatever word could be used to describe it. My two favorites would be vexatious and irksome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 6 Author Report Share Posted March 6 I'm in my room in Las Vegas listening to Mike Wilbon say college football is on the verge of ruination. Does he realize his paycheck is the #1 contributor to the ruination? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 8 hours ago, GP1 said: I'm in my room in Las Vegas listening to Mike Wilbon say college football is on the verge of ruination. Does he realize his paycheck is the #1 contributor to the ruination? I wish I could lay out the entire ESPN conspiracy to destroy conferences and hurt the mid-majors, but it's just too big to tackle at my age. The Kennedy assasination is an easier topic. Blaming Wilbon is good enough in my book for the sake of brevity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 I'm not sure why Derek Dooley is the guy here, but I think @GP1 would approve https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/group-of-five-playoff-being-pitched-by-derek-dooley-financially-backed-by-private-equity-firms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 8 Author Report Share Posted May 8 https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-new-college-athlete-compensation-model-may-cost-power-schools-300m-each-over-10-years-003140102.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 On 5/8/2024 at 7:44 AM, GP1 said: https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-new-college-athlete-compensation-model-may-cost-power-schools-300m-each-over-10-years-003140102.html What I found interesting was that under the proposal P4 schools could offer full scholarships to every player on every team. Currently college football roster size cap is 120. They could offer 120 scholarships, however, it sounds like the roster size number will be reduced to 85-95 if this deal is adopted. Baseball scholarships would climb to 32 instead of the current 11.7. If you're a MAC school, there will be no way to compete in sports like baseball or soccer. You're going to see Akron with 9.9 scholarships in soccer trying to compete against programs like OSU with ~25. If this goes through, the P4 should just form their own league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 6 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: What I found interesting was that under the proposal P4 schools could offer full scholarships to every player on every team. Currently college football roster size cap is 120. They could offer 120 scholarships, however, it sounds like the roster size number will be reduced to 85-95 if this deal is adopted. Baseball scholarships would climb to 32 instead of the current 11.7. If you're a MAC school, there will be no way to compete in sports like baseball or soccer. You're going to see Akron with 9.9 scholarships in soccer trying to compete against programs like OSU with ~25. If this goes through, the P4 should just form their own league. Would a kid rather see the field and win some championships at Akron, or be #25 on the bench at OSU for 4-5 years? Kids are already fleeing P5 basketball programs left and right for the G5's now. I think Akron soccer is well-funded and supported enough that it will always be an upper-echelon program. I don't think an kid worth his salt in 2024 is going to accept being the 95th scholarship at OSU if they can see the football field elsewhere. I'm all for a new league of like-minded G5 programs. I'm shocked that there seems to be zero traction on this idea nationally. I guess the G5 football schools don't want to lose the prestige of being "D1"? The advent of professional, millionaire "college" athletes has to accelerate the conversation, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 9 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said: Would a kid rather see the field and win some championships at Akron, or be #25 on the bench at OSU for 4-5 years? Kids are already fleeing P5 basketball programs left and right for the G5's now. I think Akron soccer is well-funded and supported enough that it will always be an upper-echelon program. I don't think an kid worth his salt in 2024 is going to accept being the 95th scholarship at OSU if they can see the football field elsewhere. I'm all for a new league of like-minded G5 programs. I'm shocked that there seems to be zero traction on this idea nationally. I guess the G5 football schools don't want to lose the prestige of being "D1"? The advent of professional, millionaire "college" athletes has to accelerate the conversation, right? You don't think the fact we'd be in a position to only offer .25 to .50 scholarship to players while programs like OSU, North Carolina, or Michigan can offer full scholarships puts us at a disadvantage? Basketball or football really isn't a comparable comp since all scholarships are full in those sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 54 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: You don't think the fact we'd be in a position to only offer .25 to .50 scholarship to players while programs like OSU, North Carolina, or Michigan can offer full scholarships puts us at a disadvantage? Basketball or football really isn't a comparable comp since all scholarships are full in those sports. It would be a killer for baseball...but I doubt we'd ever be able to field a competitive baseball team regardless of our available scholarships. Soccer would find a way to match whatever the P5 boys would do. And few of them will ever take soccer seriously. If P5's went to 95 football scholarships I don't think it would matter. You can still only play 11 guys on either side of the ball, and the guys that can't cut it will transfer out within a year. Stupid era we're in in college sports right now. I hate it. But it isn't going to get better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 9 Author Report Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said: I'm all for a new league of like-minded G5 programs. I'm shocked that there seems to be zero traction on this idea nationally. I've advocates for this for years and many have talked about it publicly. "Zero traction" is the same thing I notice. I'm guessing it puts the careers of too many ADs in jeopardy. This is why the university presidents of G5 schools need to discuss the idea as a commission with no athletic directors included. In addition, one league would require one commissioner, not 5. I doubt there are five commissioners out there willing to risk being one of the 4 that are out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandZip Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 Missouri State is moving up to FBS to be in C-USA. I don’t believe they were really on anybody’s MAC wishlist, but thought it was worth mentioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 23 hours ago, kreed5120 said: What I found interesting was that under the proposal P4 schools could offer full scholarships to every player on every team. Currently college football roster size cap is 120. They could offer 120 scholarships, however, it sounds like the roster size number will be reduced to 85-95 if this deal is adopted. Baseball scholarships would climb to 32 instead of the current 11.7. If you're a MAC school, there will be no way to compete in sports like baseball or soccer. You're going to see Akron with 9.9 scholarships in soccer trying to compete against programs like OSU with ~25. If this goes through, the P4 should just form their own league. Exactly. Power4 and G5 have to make an official division split. Matching up universities with enormous disparity in budgets and scholarships and NIL, etc. is grotesque. The disparity between the BIG10 and the MAC, for example, was always a grossly unfair fight. It’s far worse now. Even within the Power4 conferences, there will be huge differences in the level of teams and programs. Half of the Big10, though stronger by and large than most G5 teams, will never sniff a playoff berth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 We need a relegation system because it's not P4 vs G5 that's the problem. It's Ohio State/Bama/Michigan/Georgia/etc. that are vastly superior in financials to everyone else. The bottom half or even 2/3 of every power conference are crap and barely better than G5, if at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 10 Author Report Share Posted May 10 44 minutes ago, UA1996MAENG said: Exactly. Power4 and G5 have to make an official division split. Matching up universities with enormous disparity in budgets and scholarships and NIL, etc. is grotesque. The disparity between the BIG10 and the MAC, for example, was always a grossly unfair fight. It’s far worse now. Even within the Power4 conferences, there will be huge differences in the level of teams and programs. Half of the Big10, though stronger by and large than most G5 teams, will never sniff a playoff berth. Grotesque indeed. It's getting hard to look at and I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment. It's also getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 10 Author Report Share Posted May 10 8 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: We need a relegation system What would this do? It's one of those dumb things soccer fans see in Europe and think it's a great idea. I'm not even sure why it's a great idea in European soccer. It looks to me like there would always be a certain number of teams jockeying around to be the worst team in P5. In reality, it would do exactly the opposite of what we need. We need to completely divorce ourselves from P5. This nonsensical relegation would just be another excuse for athletic directors to destroy the schools they work for in the disguise they could be a contender some day. We don't need relegation, we need an alimony system. We need to combine with G5 schools and demand more money from P5 schools so we would only need to play one a year. With all of the TV money they get they will be able to pay significantly more. That's our alimony. We put up with enough of their crap for years in a horrible, abusive marriage. In the long run we'll be happier without them. Relegation my foot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 7 hours ago, ClevelandZip said: Missouri State is moving up to FBS to be in C-USA. I don’t believe they were really on anybody’s MAC wishlist, but thought it was worth mentioning. I wonder what this means for CUSA team(s) coming to the MAC (i.e. WKU). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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72 Roo Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 CUSA looks downright ugly. I hope WKU comes to the MAC very soon. It makes more sense than staying in CUSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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