NWAkron Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 Any of us could say Zips need a PG or another big. That's easy. We aren't tasked with recruiting them. I'm certain the coaching staff has a wish list but good luck finding what you want each year, especially now. Constant complaining about what the Zips "don't have" isn't constructive discussion for an anonymous mid major athletics message board. 😴 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, NWAkron said: Any of us could say Zips need a PG or another big. That's easy. We aren't tasked with recruiting them. I'm certain the coaching staff has a wish list but good luck finding what you want each year, especially now. Constant complaining about what the Zips "don't have" isn't constructive discussion for an anonymous mid major athletics message board. 😴 Speaking of what the Zips don't have... We need a t-shirt cannon. Maybe striking fear in our opponents again starts with striking fear in the crowd. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted March 6 Author Report Share Posted March 6 28 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: The issue is quality bigs that can give good minutes are in short supply. I'm sure nearly every team in America wishes they had another 1-2 bigs. No question, they are in high demand and short supply. We'll always be left to wonder what Baker's role would have been on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 15 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: Speaking of what the Zips don't have... We need a t-shirt cannon. Maybe striking fear in our opponents again starts with striking fear in the crowd. 😂 Or maybe bring the softball players out to throw the t-shirts and balls to the crowd. Maybe they could get them past the 4th or 5th row. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy87 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, NWAkron said: Any of us could say Zips need a PG or another big. That's easy. We aren't tasked with recruiting them. I'm certain the coaching staff has a wish list but good luck finding what you want each year, especially now. Constant complaining about what the Zips "don't have" isn't constructive discussion for an anonymous mid major athletics message board. 😴 I don't agree at all. It's a fan/alumni forum, we are all here to discuss the team, good, bad, and ugly. We all love the Zips. We all hope they have nothing but success. But we can also constructively criticize when necessary. I don't see anyone constantly being negative. Also, is it constructive to say "Freeman's teammates are essentially feeding him to the wolves"? I guess just coaches are off limits? Edited March 6 by Zippy87 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, Zippy87 said: If this season doesn't end with a MAC Championship, it'll be because we missed on adding an impact guard in the portal. I don't think anyone was expecting to find another X or LCJ, but Thornton and Scott have been pretty disappointing. Add in our lack of depth in the frontcourt and we're a pretty flawed team. All of our good wins have come when someone other than Freeman/Ali have had a good game. Dawson scored 14 against Toledo at the JAR. Scott scored 10 off the bench at home against OU. Tavari chipped in 10 at Kent. Hunter had 16 and Dawson had 19 vs SDSU. How nice would Steve McNess look on this team. Going with Thornton and/or expecting Tavari to take a big step was a big miscalculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy87 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 14 minutes ago, gozips19 said: How nice would Steve McNess look on this team. Going with Thornton and/or expecting Tavari to take a big step was a big miscalculation. We've definitely been spoiled a bit with the guard play we've had over the years, but yeah, Thornton has been a disappointment. Tavari is such a natural and talented scorer, but he doesn't take care of the ball consistently enough and has issues on defense. I definitely wish we saw more growth this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 16 minutes ago, Zippy87 said: We've definitely been spoiled a bit with the guard play we've had over the years, but yeah, Thornton has been a disappointment. Tavari is such a natural and talented scorer, but he doesn't take care of the ball consistently enough and has issues on defense. I definitely wish we saw more growth this year. Has he really been a disappointment? Maybe by Groce's expectations, but I feel like us fans saw a guy who doesn't light up the scoreboard along with "NIU" and are getting pretty much what we expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelegazna Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 It's not really true that we've been playing down to the competition all year. By my count, before JMU, Akron was 11-6 against the spread in games where they were favored. In other words, beating teams worse than Vegas said we should be beating them 11 out of 17 times. Since JMU, of course, they have been reeling; 1-6 against the spread (JMU inclusive), including failing to cover the spread by 22 points (EMU), 17 (NIU), and 14 (Buffalo). Even if you're not a gambling man, how a team is doing against the spread is useful to gauge how a team is doing vs. expectations, and the guys setting these lines are very, very good at it. They have to be. My overall thought is that, most teams endure a slump during the season, and here is ours, and it's a BAD slump, at the worst possible time. I still have faith in Groce though, and, well, we're just gonna have to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalZIP Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 You can talk about Thornton and Tavari, the backup point guards, until you’re blue in the face. And I preface this by saying I love Greg Tribble with all my blue and gold heart. But he would be the first to admit that in these past two weeks, his game has not been close to his standards. Missing key free throws, playing sub-par defense, taking too many out of control shots, all far bigger issues. Again, he would be the first to admit these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 4 hours ago, NWAkron said: Losing to that awful coach and that awful team in that way with everything else going on is rock bottom for Groce. That Awful coach Lead a MAC team to the Elite 8. (2001–02 Kent State). No other MAC team has even come close. 30-6 record, best in school history. Zips were 10-21 that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy87 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 44 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: Has he really been a disappointment? Maybe by Groce's expectations, but I feel like us fans saw a guy who doesn't light up the scoreboard along with "NIU" and are getting pretty much what we expected. I thought we'd get a solid starter and he could average 7-8 points per game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monrowe Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 7 hours ago, NWAkron said: Any of us could say Zips need a PG or another big. That's easy. We aren't tasked with recruiting them. I'm certain the coaching staff has a wish list but good luck finding what you want each year, especially now. Constant complaining about what the Zips "don't have" isn't constructive discussion for an anonymous mid major athletics message board. 😴 It must be extremely hard to recruit when your best player is neither a recruit or a transfer.Wanting to know the status of recruitment is not a complaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 5 hours ago, dre22era said: That Awful coach Lead a MAC team to the Elite 8. (2001–02 Kent State). No other MAC team has even come close. 30-6 record, best in school history. Zips were 10-21 that year. Stan Heath has a 26-55 record at EMU and 236-262 record over 16 years as a head coach, after starting at 30-6 at PCCC with Gary Waters recruits. I think that qualifies as awful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 47 minutes ago, monrowe said: It must be extremely hard to recruit when your best player is neither a recruit or a transfer.Wanting to know the status of recruitment is not a complaint. Do you have some "right" to know the status of recruiting? are you the AD? On the board of trustees? President Miller? Major donor? If you are a donor, even then you don't have any need to know the status of recruiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: Stan Heath has a 26-55 record at EMU and 236-262 record over 16 years as a head coach, after starting at 30-6 at PCCC with Gary Waters recruits. I think that qualifies as awful. Same old garbage on here from the haters. When things go bad for a game, they go down to their basements and troll the rest of us. It's sad that they find pleasure in being douchebags. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, NWAkron said: Same old garbage on here from the haters. When things go bad for a game, they go down to their basements and troll the rest of us. It's sad that they find pleasure in being douchebags. Same ones every time. So predictable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, clarkwgriswold said: Stan Heath has a 26-55 record at EMU and 236-262 record over 16 years as a head coach, after starting at 30-6 at PCCC with Gary Waters recruits. I think that qualifies as awful. I don't give a damn if he went 0-300 the rest of his career. No other MAC coach has taken a team that far. Meanwhile we sitting here stressed about making the damn tournament and finally getting a tourney win. Give that man respect he has earned which now includes embarrassing us last night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 (edited) Bunch a certified homers on here "Same ones every time. So predictable" Edited March 7 by dre22era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Yes, this is a fan forum. You're a bright one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 (edited) Yup im very bright Better than a bunch of outdated trash Shitting on a coach that just ruined our undefeated home season and outright MAC Chip is about a dumb as you can get. Typical Summit County back woods behavior Edited March 7 by dre22era 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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monrowe Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, NWAkron said: Do you have some "right" to know the status of recruiting? are you the AD? On the board of trustees? President Miller? Major donor? If you are a donor, even then you don't have any need to know the status of recruiting. Forum Related to Recruiting Efforts for Zips Basketball where we are finding the next MAC POY and NBA Draft pick. It says this on the recruiting page link. Are you insane? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981 grad Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 8 hours ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: Has he really been a disappointment? Maybe by Groce's expectations, but I feel like us fans saw a guy who doesn't light up the scoreboard along with "NIU" and are getting pretty much what we expected. Yes, He has been a disappointment. I cannot remember a point guard who can't even hit 50% from the free throw line. He average 8.8 points at Northern and now 3.5 points for Akron. He rarely penetrates and really adds nothing to the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy87 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 42 minutes ago, 1981 grad said: Yes, He has been a disappointment. I cannot remember a point guard who can't even hit 50% from the free throw line. He average 8.8 points at Northern and now 3.5 points for Akron. He rarely penetrates and really adds nothing to the offense. I didn't realize he and Dawson were both so low. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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