csims0917 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 https://x.com/roccomiller8/status/1818368709528109428?s=46 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 Arkansas Pine Bluff must have already been booked? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 Is this the foundation for future events with bigger schools? I know WMU's plan for their new arena is to have to ability to host events like this. Hopefully UA is thinking the same with the JAR renovations on the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 Bleh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: Is this the foundation for future events with bigger schools? I know WMU's plan for their new arena is to have to ability to host events like this. Hopefully UA is thinking the same with the JAR renovations on the horizon. I honestly hope not. I'd much rather go to Cleveland, the Bahamas, or wherever and play real teams on a neutral court. We already play enough cupcakes at the JAR every year. Using the MTE to schedule more is a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 I can only speak for myself and say that I'm excited about this. I actually love these games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 13 hours ago, kreed5120 said: I honestly hope not. I'd much rather go to Cleveland, the Bahamas, or wherever and play real teams on a neutral court. We already play enough cupcakes at the JAR every year. Using the MTE to schedule more is a waste. I agree if this event replaces more legitimate opponents in future schedules. However, if we could somehow get better opponents to join the event OR use this event to bunch the lower level competition together to free up other dates on the schedule for higher level opponents, this would be a win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 18 hours ago, kreed5120 said: I honestly hope not. I'd much rather go to Cleveland, the Bahamas, or wherever and play real teams on a neutral court. We already play enough cupcakes at the JAR every year. Using the MTE to schedule more is a waste. Hosting a tournament in Cleveland makes more sense. A legitimate arena and more exposure for teams, while cementing Cleveland as our territory when it comes to college basketball. We own the city when it comes to MAC tournament time. Let's do it earlier in the season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, akzipper said: Hosting a tournament in Cleveland makes more sense. A legitimate arena and more exposure for teams, while cementing Cleveland as our territory when it comes to college basketball. We own the city when it comes to MAC tournament time. Let's do it earlier in the season too. The downside of that is that the other MAC schools have been heard to whine about Akron and PCCC having a home field advantage in Cleveland. More Cleveland games could increase the whining. I'd hate to see that whining increase and result in the tournament being moved at some point. Edited July 31 by clarkwgriswold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 16 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: The downside of that is that the other MAC schools have been heard to whine about Akron and PCCC having a home field advantage in Cleveland. More Cleveland games could increase the whining. I'd hate to see that whining increase and result in the tournament being moved at some point. We played a regular season game there last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, akzipper said: Hosting a tournament in Cleveland makes more sense. A legitimate arena and more exposure for teams, while cementing Cleveland as our territory when it comes to college basketball. We own the city when it comes to MAC tournament time. Let's do it earlier in the season too. Cleveland would be nice. Another option would be to team with the Hall of Fame Village if the project ever gets completed. After all, many of these MTE are hosted by regional tourist destinations and bank on hotel stay, dining, entertainment, etc to breakeven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 56 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: The downside of that is that the other MAC schools have been heard to whine about Akron and PCCC having a home field advantage in Cleveland. More Cleveland games could increase the whining. I'd hate to see that whining increase and result in the tournament being moved at some point. The MAC is moving in the opposite direction of the whiners - they're planting their flag firmly in Northeast Ohio. The MAC football media days are now in Canton, and the MAC Championship game will probably be moved to Cleveland once the Haslems build the dome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 56 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: The MAC is moving in the opposite direction of the whiners - they're planting their flag firmly in Northeast Ohio. The MAC football media days are now in Canton, and the MAC Championship game will probably be moved to Cleveland once the Haslems build the dome. League offices are in Cleveland. Logistically it makes the most sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 Don't get me wrong guys, I am all for Cleveland and I am well aware we've played games there for years. I'm so old I remember going to a Zips game a the Cleveland Arena in early/mid 70s. It was a doubleheader and also included Case and John Carroll if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelegazna Posted August 8 Report Share Posted August 8 Quote On 7/30/2024 at 3:35 PM, Captain Kangaroo said: Arkansas Pine Bluff must have already been booked? Funny you mention them. Read on. Speaking as a college basketball scheduling nerd in general and early-season tournament nerd in particular, I have some bad news: these school-hosted four-team tournaments never "pave the way" for more legitimate opposition down the road. Omaha, Alabama State, and Lamar are about the level of opposition even when Power 5 schools host them. UTEP's Sun Bowl tournament probably comes closest to bringing in tough foes, and it's not like we had to get through Duke and Kansas to win that. Example 1: Ohio State's tourney will have Evansville, UW-Green Bay and Campbell (granted, a notch better than ours, but only a notch). Example 2: Missouri's tourney will have Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Pacific, and they're still trying to fill the fourth. I don't really understand the point of these, unless it's to give the host a confidence boost and a trophy. Here's my source, which is a great resource: https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2024/5/13/24140186/2024-25-mens-college-basketball-exempt-multi-team-events-mte-thanksgiving-early-season-tournaments 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted August 9 Report Share Posted August 9 (edited) 3 hours ago, mrelegazna said: Funny you mention them. Read on. Speaking as a college basketball scheduling nerd in general and early-season tournament nerd in particular, I have some bad news: these school-hosted four-team tournaments never "pave the way" for more legitimate opposition down the road. Omaha, Alabama State, and Lamar are about the level of opposition even when Power 5 schools host them. UTEP's Sun Bowl tournament probably comes closest to bringing in tough foes, and it's not like we had to get through Duke and Kansas to win that. Example 1: Ohio State's tourney will have Evansville, UW-Green Bay and Campbell (granted, a notch better than ours, but only a notch). Example 2: Missouri's tourney will have Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Pacific, and they're still trying to fill the fourth. I don't really understand the point of these, unless it's to give the host a confidence boost and a trophy. Here's my source, which is a great resource: https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2024/5/13/24140186/2024-25-mens-college-basketball-exempt-multi-team-events-mte-thanksgiving-early-season-tournaments May be a way to lower/get out of “buy game” costs? Idk, but has to be something to it if the trend is catching on. Probably helps the lower caliber programs save on travel costs as well. Edited August 9 by LZIp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted August 9 Report Share Posted August 9 It's a way to just get an extra game or two, I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted August 9 Report Share Posted August 9 (edited) 11 hours ago, LZIp said: May be a way to lower/get out of “buy game” costs? Idk, but has to be something to it if the trend is catching on. Probably helps the lower caliber programs save on travel costs as well. There are also only so many MTE and only so many destination locations. For some schools they might schedule these because the alternative is they weren't invited to a tournament therefore would play no games at all. Playing 3 games against cupcake schools is better than playing no games. I don't know if this was the case for Akron. Edited August 9 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981 grad Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 (edited) On 8/9/2024 at 10:42 AM, kreed5120 said: There are also only so many MTE and only so many destination locations. For some schools they might schedule these because the alternative is they weren't invited to a tournament therefore would play no games at all. Playing 3 games against cupcake schools is better than playing no games. I don't know if this was the case for Akron. Can somebody with inside information, (Hilltopper?) tell me why we are doing an MTE instead of a tournament in Florida, Bahamas or some other location. I see these games being played at best to a half empty jar. I doubt if any of these teams will bring fans to Akron and I see little enthusiasm for Akron fans to attend. I know the U will highly publicize this MTE (LOL). What are the financials on the MTE. Does Akron pay for these teams to play? Does Akron have to pay when they go to a tourney in Florida? Is Akron saving money doing to an MTE instead of a tourney? Edited August 14 by 1981 grad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 30 minutes ago, 1981 grad said: Can somebody with inside information, (Hilltopper?) tell me why we are doing an MTE instead of a tournament in Florida, Bahamas or some other location. I see these games being played at best to a half empty jar. I doubt if any of these teams will bring fans to Akron and I see little enthusiasm for Akron fans to attend. I know the U will highly publicize this MTE (LOL). What are the financials on the MTE. Does Akron pay for these teams to play? Does Akron have to pay when they go to a tourney in Florida? Is Akron saving money doing to an MTE instead of a tourney? Akron at least needs to pay for transportation and lodging. The hotel in Cayman was $1000 per night for 5 (?) nights? Akron chartered a plane with Oakland to split costs. I don't have the inside information, but return on investment doesn't seem that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 (edited) Akron definitely is paying them to come. All the cupcakes we've played at the JAR over the years we had to cut them a check to come. Akron is also getting paid to compete in the Sun Bowl invitational. My guess is they're using that money to cover much of the costs to pay these lesser programs to come here. Edited August 14 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 (edited) On 7/30/2024 at 3:35 PM, csims0917 said: https://x.com/roccomiller8/status/1818368709528109428?s=46 I did have a brief moment of excitement when I saw the word Alabama. Then I saw the first word on the next line was State. In all seriousness, if the website has the final schedule, it's weak in a way that would make JD envious. Edited August 16 by GP1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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