Zippy87 Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 (edited) I'll update this post as we continue forward to the tournament. Updated: 3/4 1-Akron 8-Western Michigan 4-Kent 5-Eastern Michigan 3-Ohio 6-Toledo 2-Miami 7-Bowling Green Edited yesterday at 02:19 AM by Zippy87 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Zippy87 said: It's hard to believe, but the Zips can clinch a MAC Tournament bid with a win on Saturday. Even more unbelievably, they already have. They only play Eastern and Western once and are 7 games up on each with 7 to play. First tiebreaker is head to head. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Travis and Miami beat Toledo for the first time since 2011. Kraft put up 40 points. The brothers are on a collision course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips1991 Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 On 2/12/2025 at 1:41 AM, MDZip said: Even more unbelievably, they already have. They only play Eastern and Western once and are 7 games up on each with 7 to play. First tiebreaker is head to head. I could be completely wrong, but I don't think they technically have. Because they're 7 games ahead of teams currently #7-9. But one of those is CMU who we play again. So if CMU beats us, they could hold a tie breaker. Obviously none of this will matter as we'll win another game and those teams will lose again. 😆 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 51 minutes ago, Zips1991 said: I could be completely wrong, but I don't think they technically have. Because they're 7 games ahead of teams currently #7-9. But one of those is CMU who we play again. So if CMU beats us, they could hold a tie breaker. Obviously none of this will matter as we'll win another game and those teams will lose again. 😆 Teams 7-9 still play one another. They can't all win out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 My superstitious side fears that it is too early to start this conversation. Like Michael Scott, I'm not superstitious, I'm just a little stitious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips1991 Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 5 hours ago, kreed5120 said: Teams 7-9 still play one another. They can't all win out. I thought of this after I posted, so I guess we probably are technically in. But I think the conference is waiting until Saturday to announce it just so they don't have to worry about figuring out tiebreaker scenarios. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 I will put this here. 2010 and 2012 Groce and DJ Cooper took out Akron and KD in the MAC finals in heartbreaking fashion. But in 2011, Bobcats lost to Ball State in the quarterfinals after coming in as a 5 seed and beating Toledo (12th seed in first round). Zips beat Kent in the finals in OT and had an 2xOT game v Miami in quarterfinals. 2011 for Ohio U was sandwiched between the tournament runs of beating GTown in first round and then getting a somewhat lackluster draw in 2012 and reaching Sweet 16. Here's a recap of the 2011 loss to Ball State 14 years ago! you get a glimpse of a younger and intense Coach Groce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illini Zip Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Long, baggy shorts era. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy87 Posted February 19 Author Report Share Posted February 19 Only 5 games left, I updated the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy87 Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 I'm curious if the MAC will revisit their format at some point. Dropping to the current 8-team format was allegedly in response to the pandemic. I do think there needs to be some additional advantage built in for the top 2 or 4 seeds. Option 1: 2016-2020 Format The top four seeds received byes into the quarterfinals; seeds 5-12 played first-round games at the campus of the higher seed. Winners of the first-round games advanced to face the top four seeds in the quarterfinal round in Cleveland. Option 2: 2012-2015 Format The No. 1 and No. 2 seeds received byes straight to the semifinals, with the No. 3 and No. 4 seeds beginning tournament play in the quarterfinals. Teams seeded 5–12 played an additional two rounds. Option 3: Brand New Format Could they adopt an SBC-Style tournament? I'm guessing this would be too much. My preferred idea would be to cut the number of teams to 6 and award two first round byes. This cuts out your teams who, quite frankly, don't deserve a shot, awards an advantage to your top 2 seeds, and still maintains three nights of good basketball. How it'd look today: Thursday #4 Ohio vs #5 Kent #3 Toledo vs #6 Ball State Friday #1 Akron vs Ohio/Kent winner #2 Miami vs Toledo/Ball State winner Saturday Championship 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reslife4Life Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, Zippy87 said: I'm curious if the MAC will revisit their format at some point. Dropping to the current 8-team format was allegedly in response to the pandemic. I do think there needs to be some additional advantage built in for the top 2 or 4 seeds. Option 1: 2016-2020 Format The top four seeds received byes into the quarterfinals; seeds 5-12 played first-round games at the campus of the higher seed. Winners of the first-round games advanced to face the top four seeds in the quarterfinal round in Cleveland. Bring back this one. I like the idea of having a game on campus. I also believe that everyone should get a shot in the tournament, that is what makes it exciting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 I like the 2012-2015 format, but with 8 teams. 1 & 2 get a bye to the semis 3 plays winner of 6v7 4 plays 5v8 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Zippy87 said: I'm curious if the MAC will revisit their format at some point. Dropping to the current 8-team format was allegedly in response to the pandemic. I do think there needs to be some additional advantage built in for the top 2 or 4 seeds. Option 1: 2016-2020 Format The top four seeds received byes into the quarterfinals; seeds 5-12 played first-round games at the campus of the higher seed. Winners of the first-round games advanced to face the top four seeds in the quarterfinal round in Cleveland. Option 2: 2012-2015 Format The No. 1 and No. 2 seeds received byes straight to the semifinals, with the No. 3 and No. 4 seeds beginning tournament play in the quarterfinals. Teams seeded 5–12 played an additional two rounds. Option 3: Brand New Format Could they adopt an SBC-Style tournament? I'm guessing this would be too much. My preferred idea would be to cut the number of teams to 6 and award two first round byes. This cuts out your teams who, quite frankly, don't deserve a shot, awards an advantage to your top 2 seeds, and still maintains three nights of good basketball. How it'd look today: Thursday #4 Ohio vs #5 Kent #3 Toledo vs #6 Ball State Friday #1 Akron vs Ohio/Kent winner #2 Miami vs Toledo/Ball State winner Saturday Championship The MAC eliminated the on campus first round games to reduce costs as a response to covid. They said it was only temporary, but all the schools are still very much struggling as much, if not more, than before. I don't see them changing course. Edited February 24 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 18 minutes ago, zippy5 said: I like the 2012-2015 format, but with 8 teams. 1 & 2 get a bye to the semis 3 plays winner of 6v7 4 plays 5v8 That's an extra day the MAC would have to rent Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse, which isn't exactly cheap. Frankly, that's just not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illini Zip Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 I think the regular season has to matter. Personally the top 8 teams is enough, but if you want to give everyone the chance to have a post-season the 1 and 2 seeds still need to be given byes to the semis. You can still play the first rounds at the home courts like before. If we did allow all teams to play, how would that look with 13 teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egregiousbob Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 45 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: The MAC eliminated the on campus first round games to reduce costs as a response to covid. They said it was only temporary, but all the schools are still very much struggling as much, if not more, than before. I don't see them changing course. I don't think this is true. Many schools have recovered pretty well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 should be 12 teams next season? NIU out. UMass in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 1) Never, ever, EVER copy the Sun Belt's format. The best seeds to have in that tournament are the 3/4 seeds because they have a weaker opponent to knock the rust off against before playing the top seeds. 2) Best format is what @zippy5 stated. 1 & 2 get BYEs to the semis and the tournament is limited to the top 8 teams. Starting next year, Akron, Ohio, Kent, Miami, Toledo, UMass is a formidable 6, then add someone like Balls/BUGS/WMU for the final 2 spots, and you've truly found your top teams to represent the MAC in the NCAA Tourney. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy87 Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 I really think the 6 team format would make some sense. If you're the 7th best (or worse) team in - let's be honest - a mediocre conference - do you really deserve a chance to go to March Madness? Cut the 7/8 teams, which gives the top 2 seeds a small advantage of a bye, and you eliminate the early Thursday games, which aren't well-attended. Thursday 5 PM - 4 vs 5 8 PM - 3 vs 6 Friday 5 PM - 1 vs 4/5 winner 8 PM - 2 vs 3/6 winner Saturday 7:30 PM - Chanpionship 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 14 minutes ago, Zippy87 said: I really think the 6 team format would make some sense. If you're the 7th best (or worse) team in - let's be honest - a mediocre conference - do you really deserve a chance to go to March Madness? Cut the 7/8 teams, which gives the top 2 seeds a small advantage of a bye, and you eliminate the early Thursday games, which aren't well-attended. Thursday 5 PM - 4 vs 5 8 PM - 3 vs 6 Friday 5 PM - 1 vs 4/5 winner 8 PM - 2 vs 3/6 winner Saturday 7:30 PM - Chanpionship This seems like the best alternative. It also would eliminate the need for the MAC to rent the arena for Wednesday for the women. Those games could instead be played Thursday before the men's if it adopted the same format. You would have 4 Thursday, 4 Friday, and 2 Saturday games in total between the men's and women's tournament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 You don't have to play every round in Cleveland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illini Zip Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 53 minutes ago, Zippy87 said: I really think the 6 team format would make some sense. If you're the 7th best (or worse) team in - let's be honest - a mediocre conference - do you really deserve a chance to go to March Madness? Cut the 7/8 teams, which gives the top 2 seeds a small advantage of a bye, and you eliminate the early Thursday games, which aren't well-attended. Thursday 5 PM - 4 vs 5 8 PM - 3 vs 6 Friday 5 PM - 1 vs 4/5 winner 8 PM - 2 vs 3/6 winner Saturday 7:30 PM - Chanpionship I agree with your argument and I like your schedule for Cleveland. But I would also be open to the idea that only Seeds 1-4 are guaranteed a trip to Cleveland using your format. Let 5-12 battle it out on campus for a couple of rounds to earn the right to play 3 & 4 on Thursday. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illini Zip Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Illini Zip said: I agree with your argument and I like your schedule for Cleveland. But I would also be open to the idea that only Seeds 1-4 are guaranteed a trip to Cleveland using your format. Let 5-12 battle it out on campus for a couple of rounds to earn the right to play 3 & 4 on Thursday. How about this for teams 5-12. To give the 5 & 6 seeds some love and to limit overall travel time and expense they would both play host to 3 other teams and 3 games total over 2 days. (Monday & Tuesday) (5)-12, 8-9, then the winners matchup. Overall winner travels on to Cleveland on Wednesday to either play 3 or 4 Thursday depending on reseeding. (6)-11, 7-10, then the winners matchup. Overall winner travels on to Cleveland on Wednesday to either play 3 or 4 Thursday depending on reseeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 https://bball.notnothing.net/mac.php?sport=mbb Three games left, and I can't figure the seeding out other than Akron and Miami will be one and two or two and one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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