Game #3 Zips @ UAB - 8:30 pm September 13th: Catdaddyp July Preview → Official Game Thread

[MangoZip]

I think Joe walks away on his own after the season. He’s failed and he’s frustrated. He has no money to recruit, smallest budget in D1, no training table, etc etc. He can go somewhere else and make the same money, or more, as an OC. He resigns soon after the last game. 

[Lee Adams]

3 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

I haven't read the finer details of Joe's contract, but it appears his base salary is $620K and he still has two years left on his contract. That's 1.24 million in total. The buyout language in his contract says we would owe him 75% of that total. That would amount to $930K.

 

I can't see how Akron could financially afford to pay that when we couldn't even afford a training table that costs $3k-$5k. Furthermore, it's not like we have Nick Saban waiting on the sidelines wanting this job. The Akron job is among the bottom 5 jobs in all of FBS as we have poor funding and little to no NIL in a day and age where money means more than it ever did.

 

Hell, if the University just gave Moorhead $465k in NIL each of the next 2 years (amounts to what his buyout would be), Akron would probably be in a better position competitively than paying that to him to not coach. The reality is whatever coach we bring in is setup to fail and in 2 or 3 years we will be asking to pay his $1 million buyout as well. At some point this chain needs to be broken.

 

To clarify, I'm by no means trying to defend Moorhead. I just realize Akron has much deeper problems and trying to slap a bandaid on it by bringing in a new coach is simply not going to work. If they want to compete they need to better engage the community and in particular wealthy alumni and local businesses. These are 18-23 year old kids who are now hired mercenaries. They will go to the highest bidder and frankly we can't compete financially without external help.

Said it before say it again. The problems with this program go beyond 1 coach or a few players. This is and has been an organizational problem for literally decades. And now with the changes in DI college football, programs like Akron etc. are just going to fall further behind.

Agree with kreed  can't put lipstick on a pig.

A shame. A winnable game.

[72 Roo]

Against UAB the Special Teams did not show up and the defense showed up for only one half. That's disturbing, but I see three incidents in the game that are more troubling.

 

First, with the Zips driving at the three and the two minute timeout coming up the offense is clearly waiting for the timeout to plot their next plays. Yet at 2:02 the center snaps the ball. Finley was surprised and barely covered the snap. A probable touchdown was lost. A field goal resulted. The lost points were the  difference in the final score. Who was in control? Who was communicating?Who was listening?

 

Second, Durham took the bait when a UAB O-lineman pulled him down after the whistle. Durham responded with a forearm shivers to the UAB player's chin. Right in front of a ref.  We were hit with a personal foul and the drive, that may have been stopped, was renewed. On the sideline after the play Joe high-fived Durham, put his arm around him and joked. Where was the accountability?

 

Finally, after a failed second half drive Joe tried to talk with a frustrated Finley. Joe walked after Finley talking while Finley walked away, never turning to his head coach. It took an assistant coach to turn Finley around to face Joe. An argument followed. Where is the respect for the head guy? Do these guys even believe in Joe?

 

Joe may be an offensive genius, but there is not much evidence he is a capable head coach. 

[GP1]

1 hour ago, AkronAlumnus said:

I agree that Joemo is a cancer and needed canned yesterday (said so since 2023) but I also understand the financial predicament...  I still think we have to find a way to cut ties and not spend $$ doing it.  Maybe have a 3L comb over the contact or something, idk.  He needs to go though and I'm glad that's now obvious

This is the day every coach firing fan lives for. 

[exit322]

1 hour ago, MangoZip said:

I think Joe walks away on his own after the season. He’s failed and he’s frustrated. He has no money to recruit, smallest budget in D1, no training table, etc etc. He can go somewhere else and make the same money, or more, as an OC. He resigns soon after the last game. 

4-6 D3 schools don't pay that much for coordinators, and what he's doing with this offense isn't going to get him interest from anything better than that

[GP1]

3 minutes ago, exit322 said:

4-6 D3 schools don't pay that much for coordinators, and what he's doing with this offense isn't going to get him interest from anything better than that

If Joe leaves, he'll be on staff somewhere as a coordinator or assistant making as much as he does at Akron. 

[exit322]

2 minutes ago, GP1 said:

If Joe leaves, he'll be on staff somewhere as a coordinator or assistant making as much as he does at Akron. 

Well I hope so.  But I think the Zips are going to have to fire him. 

 

The new AD has his opportunity to prove he's serious about improving the program.

[GP1]

10 minutes ago, exit322 said:

Well I hope so.  But I think the Zips are going to have to fire him. 

 

The new AD has his opportunity to prove he's serious about improving the program.

Agreed. There is too much in it for him to resign. 

[ZippyDoo]

Not trying to stir the pot at all, but why would anyone think that getting rid of joe is going to solve anything?

 

the players that can are going to go where they can get money. until akron starts having money to pay the players akron will be a stepping stone. kids will come here because "it's D1" and they will hope to get film to bounce as soon as they can. 

 

example marcus moore left being a starter to get "paid" and is fourth string at purdue- hasn't played a snap. 

 

over half of Akrons team wasn't even on the roster last year. 

 

i don't agree with some player decisions that are playing and getting an absurd amount of playing time, there is only one starter from last on offense 2 if u count polk... an entirely new defensive line except bruno who stands out because nobody is doing anything. he is barely average to D1 ends. there are only 99 d ends in ALL of D1 who are ranked LOWER than Durham, yet he has more snaps than anyone on defense.

 

it is a very tough position for any coach

Edited 2 hours ago by ZippyDoo

[clarkwgriswold]

I'm thinking old Joe's value in the college football universe has taken a nosedive after leading one of the most inept programs in the nation.

[GP1]

12 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

I'm thinking old Joe's value in the college football universe has taken a nosedive after leading one of the most inept programs in the nation.

Meaning what?  How will failing at the Graveyard of Coaches hurt his career or money making potential? Keep in mind Arth is the passing coordinator for an NFL team. 

Edited 2 hours ago by GP1

[kreed5120]

27 minutes ago, GP1 said:

Meaning what?  How will failing at the Graveyard of Coaches hurt his career or money making potential? Keep in mind Arth is the passing coordinator for an NFL team. 

 

It probably hurts it some. Like I'm not sure if OSU, Texas, LSU, etc OC vacancy opened up that he would be in the running. At the same time I'm sure he could land an OC position at a Purdue, Minnesota, Boston College, etc. He's been in the business for a long time so he has connections.

[MangoZip]

50 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

I'm thinking old Joe's value in the college football universe has taken a nosedive after leading one of the most inept programs in the nation.

I really don’t think so, I’m sure he would get a power five OC job easily. Despite what we think, he is still very well respected as a good offensive mind. Akron’s budget (or lack thereof), lack of any NIL money, and overall lack of hope actually works in his favor because all coaches know how hard it is to win here.  They know he’s in a hopeless situation so his value isn’t diminished. 

[GP1]

1 hour ago, MangoZip said:

They know he’s in a hopeless situation so his value isn’t diminished. 

Bingo. It's pretty well known around college football that Akron is pretty close to impossible to win at.