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Average would indicate that there's seasons above those number that get you to that 6-6 range (I won't blame for a 3-digit FPI, we're a MAC school).

Mediocrity is "the quality of being ordinary or average" 2024: 4-8 (3-5), 126 in FPI 2025: 5-7 (4-4), 128 in FPI So yes.

I don't think anyone short of maybe 74 year old Nick Saban could lead us to a MAC championship. The funding gap between us and the top of the MAC is absurd. The reality is under the new landscape of college athletics most G5s are going to have to pick between football or basketball as the costs to compete at a high level at both really isn't obtainable. We have Bud already in place on the basketball side and have a proven coach in Groce. It makes sense to throw whatever limited resources we have at basketball while we have an open window of opportunity. Bud and Groce won't be here forever.

Joe won 4 last year with a schedule that included 3 P4s. The 5 wins this years with 1 P4 on the schedule is actually a step back in my eyes. I don't see the program progressing under Joe, so taking 1 step back to 2-3 wins to take multiple steps forward with hopefully a better coach is worth it in my eyes. We're going to lose however many players in the Portal and have a new QB. It's not like we can expect the same group of guys to grow together and hit that next milestone, and I don't see Joe as the guy to pick up all the pieces again and progress this program any further.

Joe won 5 games last year - next year is bowl or bust. Why would we be okay setting expectations back to 2-3 wins next year?

That's not true. I have knowledge of the process. He was their first choice but the AD felt the need to conduct a wider search before finalizing. Hauser, the interim HC (and defensive coordinator), was a finalist. Secondly, this situation has nothing to do with NCAA violations, etc. There is no vacation of wins -- you know how long it takes the NCAA to conduct investigations. It takes months if not years. The truth is the coach is embroiled in a very contentious divorce. My (educated) guess is that his spouse has made a claim that is serious enough to warrant investigation by the university. Could be she's being spiteful to try to ruin his career...could be there's some element of truth to it. Will likely know sooner rather than later. In the meantime, they've received all but 2 of their expected letters of intent today.

Nick Saban might have won one more game with the resources (or lack there of) JoeMo has been given. One other thing I left out.....if we had an undefeated season or a winning season....we couldn't even go to a bowl game. How in the f##k do you recruit with that? How do you motivate a team? A new coach is the LAST THING this administration should be looking at!!!! Just look at what schools like High Point or James Madison have done. Slow, steady, thoughtful, strategic, methodical decisions.

1) My expectations are to find a coach who loves football so much that he doesn't give a damn about the excuses. 2) If a football coach is worth their paycheck, they find a way to win 2-3 games within the first couple of years, then push .500 or better in years 3 or 4 - especially in the MAC. Terry Bowden went 1-11 in his first year, then 5-7 in each of his next 2 before going 8-5 in year 4. Sean Lewis at Kent went 2-10 in year 1 and went 7-6 with a bowl win in year 2. 3) What are we doing comparing Akron football to the Big Ten? Nobody is asking Joe to compete against P4 schools. 4) Joe is in year 4 at Akron. He faced 5 new HCs this year and a 4th who got canned weeks after our game vs. them. Joe's record in those games: 2-3, including a loss to our rival who had only won 1 game the previous 2 seasons. This schedule had 8 wins on it. Joe found a way to lose 4 of those and stole one vs. Buffalo. 5) The eye test of the discipline (or lack thereof) and X's & O's on the field aren't meeting expectations. Those two categories are completely independent of any financial troubles that allegedly plague this program. The play calling and execution sucks. The stupid penalties and mistakes we consistently see suck. Money isn't fixing that. 1 more practice a week isn't fixing that. If the 1 extra practice is a big deal, maybe someone should've raised Hell when the NCAA decided to only punish Akron despite several other schools in the same time period also failing the stupid APR metric. Once the program decided to roll over and accept the punishment, that can no longer be an excuse. As fans, if we continue to allow the program to use all of the excuses as crutches for their shortcomings, they will continue to fall short.

Are we?

Being OK with Moorhead leaving doesn't make you a hater. I think he's a solid coach, I wouldn't be upset if be stayed, but I would also be OK with change if he left. My primary reason is I don't see significant progress. Was this year's team noticeable better than 2024, or did they just get to play a UMass team that had so many injuries they had coaches taking practice reps and a beat up BG team on their 3rd QB? They had one win against a good team in 2024 (Toledo) and one this year (CMU). Sports-reference.com ranked us 136 out of 136 for SOS. Could it get worse? Absolutely. You could 100% get another Arth that would be far worse and set the program back even further. But it could also get better. Maybe you find a coach who can find a recruiting strategy that works despite the lack of resources. Maybe you find a coach who donors and alumni are excited about, and support more both financially and with personal engagement to the team. Maybe you find someone who can do better than average, even if it's for a short time before moving on. Do you truly believe Joe Moorhead can lead you to a MAC Championship at some point? If yes, you keep him. But if no, I would rather take the shot at someone else, even knowing the risk. I don't ever want to just settle for mediocrity, which is where we are right now.

Yeah. During December, it gets dark early afternoon… in Alaska.

Hopefully the delay is a result of us trying to secure a few more commits lol.

only thing I could find on Riggins was that he was top rated, he was considering Minnesota but he was not speaking publicly, however Akron may be top of his list if he was going G 5. Probably playing time. Come in play for one or two years and bounce. Unless you are a true super stud you go to any of those Power 4 schools you aren't seeing the field for two or three years. Come to Akron get on the field right away get that tape and go chase the dollars. Akron is nothing more than JUCO. That's it.

Got our first!

This year's squad would probably give Shaka's team a run for their money.

Yay, for him. Maybe he has great success. It's been one year. Little Zips history lesson... J.D. Brookhart 2004-09 (29-43) fired Rob Ianello 2010-2011 (2-11) fired Terry Bowden 2012-2018 (35-52) fired Tom Arthur 2019-2021 (3-24) fired Oscar Rodriguez interim 2021 0-3 It's obvious that Akron WANTS to win at football because they are not afraid to change coaches, I don't doubt that, but they either keep striking out with coaches OR they give up on them when it starts getting rough. Bowden went 8-5 and won the first bowl game in school history and was let go three years later when he went 4-8... It isn't always greener on the other side. Joe Moe has shown improvement each year despite having the odds stacked against him. Things like one less practice a week are a big issue. Not having NIL money is a big thing yet somehow, he still brings in decent talent and is able to compete in the MAC with really nothing to offer except playing time. I just don't understand the urgency to get rid of him when the team has shown improvement. I agree that there were games that could have/ probably should have been won, but nearly every program could say the same thing and there aren't too many undefeated teams still out there. Everyone on here that wants rid of Joe Moe assumes the next guy is automatically going to be better or is going to be the next Ryan Day and what if it isn't? What if it is the next Kenni Burns and it sets the program back ten years??? Joe Moe has steadily improved the program with no money, less staff, less recruiting opportunities, and less practices I would rather see him stay and see what he can do with those things added.

So basically you are saying we should be having buy games at the Jar vs Marquette and Providence

CMU with a horrendous loss to Loyola Chicago. In any other year, this is respectable; Loyola Chicago was 355 in NET coming into that game.

We joke, but if we can't fundraise for a ~$3k-$4k training table what are we even doing playing FBS athletics? You would think that would be pocket change for someone like Kaulig.

I blame JoMo. He should be engaging the community, Tweeting, Instagramming, recruiting 4-stars without a travel budget, schmoozing donors for NIL funds, tutoring players with sub 2.5 GPA's and singing the Zips fight song while cooking meals for the training table-less team on his Weber Kettle outside the Stiles Center. JoMo must go.

It does get dark pretty early this time a year! Lol

Kent's kicking our @$$ on twitter this morning. So far they've got 16 of these posts. We have zero.

The guy down the road with the Wagon Wheel just won as many games in his first year, as it took the genius four years to win in a season. And their situation was worse than what the genius was handed.

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