72 Roo Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 Joe is not responsible for putting together a collective for football. But why not former players? Can't they get in touch with Bud Wentz to understand the mechanics of putting it together? Once they set it up they could find events to fund it like: Toledo had pilates on the 50 lead by Candle's wife. It sold out. Repeat what basketball did with a night with the coaches. Bring back former coaches and players. Have an open Q & A with Joe on what he expects in the season, or maybe at mid-season. Sign gear and memorabilia by the players for a small fee, If legal. Basketball sold out at $100 per ticket. Host a golf tournament in the stadium like OSU does. All 9 iron shots from fun locations. afterwards is a buffet and cash bar. Offer guided tours of the facilities such as the Info, the field house and the JAR. Do a night with a coach once a month. Charge $50 to attend. Have Joe or the DC or STC take questions at a pub with a separate room. Seek donations from those who support NIL. Members of the collective could organize all these and the U would have little if no cost. If football needs a collective the alumni should be first to make it happen. Personally I don't believe in the NIL concept, but there are many who would support it. If they want to be part of a collective, like basketball has shown, give them a chance to help. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 10 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said: See the portal when it updates this week. The UA list is long. Not a portal issue, but still bad: the class Moorehead just signed is small and underwhelming - last in the MAC, 121st overall. We're allowed to recruit from the portal too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoZip Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 4 hours ago, 72 Roo said: Joe is not responsible for putting together a collective for football. But why not former players? Can't they get in touch with Bud Wentz to understand the mechanics of putting it together? Once they set it up they could find events to fund it like: Toledo had pilates on the 50 lead by Candle's wife. It sold out. Repeat what basketball did with a night with the coaches. Bring back former coaches and players. Have an open Q & A with Joe on what he expects in the season, or maybe at mid-season. Sign gear and memorabilia by the players for a small fee, If legal. Basketball sold out at $100 per ticket. Host a golf tournament in the stadium like OSU does. All 9 iron shots from fun locations. afterwards is a buffet and cash bar. Offer guided tours of the facilities such as the Info, the field house and the JAR. Do a night with a coach once a month. Charge $50 to attend. Have Joe or the DC or STC take questions at a pub with a separate room. Seek donations from those who support NIL. Members of the collective could organize all these and the U would have little if no cost. If football needs a collective the alumni should be first to make it happen. Personally I don't believe in the NIL concept, but there are many who would support it. If they want to be part of a collective, like basketball has shown, give them a chance to help. I mentioned this in another thread. These are great ideas, and I think are all possible. You list the alumni as leaders. Who would it take to really get this going? Until this happens Akron will be trying to rebuild its team each portal season. Coaching staff has hit on a lot of under recruited talent, but once they shine they’re off to a “better situation”. Not the kids fault, but there needs to be something done. I can’t imagine Joe puts up with it much longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 9 hours ago, NeoZip said: I mentioned this in another thread. These are great ideas, and I think are all possible. You list the alumni as leaders. Who would it take to really get this going? Until this happens Akron will be trying to rebuild its team each portal season. Coaching staff has hit on a lot of under recruited talent, but once they shine they’re off to a “better situation”. Not the kids fault, but there needs to be something done. I can’t imagine Joe puts up with it much longer. Kaulig, Wentz, James LaRose (if he's still involved with University) all come to mind as candidates to get football NIL off the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-zip Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 (edited) It’s impossible to f#ck things up more. Build a big beautiful stadium and then spend money on changing logos for Roos, Zs and settling on an A. Then you cut training table because you can’t afford it. We are in no mans land - can’t recruit against D1, hell now can’t even recruit against D3 because they are different types of student/athletes. At one point we had Jim Dennison, Gerry Faust, Jim Tressel and Terry Bowden on campus at the same time (not to mention one of the worlds richest athletes LJ) and they f#%ked it up. Unreal!!! Edited December 10 by a-zip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 It might of been in that audio file from a podcast someone shared, but I thought Bud in the interview said he was assisting people in getting a collective started for football. I'm not sure where that's at or if it ever got off the ground. It sounded basketball keeps Bud busy. It would likely take Kaulig or someone else to take the lead for football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 On 12/2/2024 at 9:54 AM, GP1 said: Ignore the quote. New plan. Since we have Kaulig, we need to harness the Chernoff/Antonetti system of being successful with a low budget. Zips need to figure out how to become a coaching wagon and establish a system that wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 57 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: Ignore the quote. New plan. Since we have Kaulig, we need to harness the Chernoff/Antonetti system of being successful with a low budget. Zips need to figure out how to become a coaching wagon and establish a system that wins. We need a football Bud Wentz. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 (edited) 4 hours ago, clarkwgriswold said: We need a football Bud Wentz. I think that's easier said than done. Basketball has 13 scholarship players per roster. In a year where you turn over half your roster you're recruiting 6-7 new guys. In football, where all schools are spending more money and resources to recruit, you have 85 scholarships. Between transfers and incoming freshman, you're recruiting ~30 players a year. Not to mention spending time to re-recruit the remaining ~55 guys to avoid them from entering the portal. You would probably need ~5 Bud Wentz for football to have a similar impact. Pretty much one required per position group. Edited December 11 by kreed5120 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 In regard to a NIL collective - yes! However, I'm sorry to flog a dead horse, but in the end what did the donation of the upgraded scoreboard do to improve or stabilize football in particular and UA athletics in general? Whoever donated it, thanks....but did it really do any good? Imagine what just that million+ dollars could have done in Zippy's NIL fund. If it meant 6+ wins I'd gladly sit on splintered wood seats with no scoreboard at all. I'd take randon beatings about the head between warm beers to see a winning team. If we are in this NIL era, which indeed is crap, then UA has to play it to survive. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 On 12/9/2024 at 6:10 PM, 72 Roo said: Joe is not responsible for putting together a collective for football. But why not former players? Can't they get in touch with Bud Wentz to understand the mechanics of putting it together? Once they set it up they could find events to fund it like: Toledo had pilates on the 50 lead by Candle's wife. It sold out. Repeat what basketball did with a night with the coaches. Bring back former coaches and players. Have an open Q & A with Joe on what he expects in the season, or maybe at mid-season. Sign gear and memorabilia by the players for a small fee, If legal. Basketball sold out at $100 per ticket. Host a golf tournament in the stadium like OSU does. All 9 iron shots from fun locations. afterwards is a buffet and cash bar. Offer guided tours of the facilities such as the Info, the field house and the JAR. Do a night with a coach once a month. Charge $50 to attend. Have Joe or the DC or STC take questions at a pub with a separate room. Seek donations from those who support NIL. Members of the collective could organize all these and the U would have little if no cost. If football needs a collective the alumni should be first to make it happen. Personally I don't believe in the NIL concept, but there are many who would support it. If they want to be part of a collective, like basketball has shown, give them a chance to help. It's easier to grab a Big 10 or SEC welfare check to stay afloat than it is to put thought and work into new ideas and grow them. MUCH easier. It's also great to blame your facilities, which are too nice and shouldn't have been built if <insert UA official's name here> were in charge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 (edited) On 12/9/2024 at 6:10 PM, 72 Roo said: Joe is not responsible for putting together a collective for football. But why not former players? Can't they get in touch with Bud Wentz to understand the mechanics of putting it together? Once they set it up they could find events to fund it like: Toledo had pilates on the 50 lead by Candle's wife. It sold out. That might have raised $5000 Repeat what basketball did with a night with the coaches. Bring back former coaches and players. Have an open Q & A with Joe on what he expects in the season, or maybe at mid-season. Sign gear and memorabilia by the players for a small fee, If legal. Basketball sold out at $100 per ticket. That event actually lost money! Host a golf tournament in the stadium like OSU does. All 9 iron shots from fun locations. afterwards is a buffet and cash bar. Again, maybe make $5000 Offer guided tours of the facilities such as the Info, the field house and the JAR. The 10 guys on this forum might be interested. Make maybe $500. Do a night with a coach once a month. Charge $50 to attend. Have Joe or the DC or STC take questions at a pub with a separate room. Same 10 guys. $500 On 12/9/2024 at 6:10 PM, 72 Roo said: Seek donations from those who support NIL. That has been an ongoing project for several years. Guys like Bud don't just fall out of trees. Forget about Kaulig, he has his hands full already. People seem to look at this as some sort of charity. There is no tax deduction for an NIL donation. The people who donate to NIL are looking to get some sort of return on their investment. Like a winning team! There is not much of a track record of that for Akron football. Members of the collective could organize all these and the U would have little if no cost. If football needs a collective the alumni should be first to make it happen. Personally I don't believe in the NIL concept, but there are many who would support it. If they want to be part of a collective, like basketball has shown, give them a chance to help. Don't take my comments as personal criticism of your ideas. I wish there were an easy way to raise the money too. Expand the quote boxes to see my comments. Edited December 11 by Hilltopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 NIU is really leaving to be a football-only member of the Mountain West? What would NIU do with the rest of its sports? It can't remain in the MAC without football, can it? https://www.si.com/college-football/northern-illinois-weighing-offer-join-mountain-west?utm_medium=pushly_notifications&utm_source=pushly_notifications&utm_campaign=5919717 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkWiley Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 47 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said: It's easier to grab a Big 10 or SEC welfare check to stay afloat than it is to put thought and work into new ideas and grow them. MUCH easier. It's also great to blame your facilities, which are too nice and shouldn't have been built if <insert UA official's name here> were in charge. My fear is that our OOC schedule is going to get reworked over the summer for budgetary reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit322 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 17 minutes ago, UA1996MAENG said: NIU is really leaving to be a football-only member of the Mountain West? What would NIU do with the rest of its sports? It can't remain in the MAC without football, can it? https://www.si.com/college-football/northern-illinois-weighing-offer-join-mountain-west?utm_medium=pushly_notifications&utm_source=pushly_notifications&utm_campaign=5919717 I would figure either Horizon League or Missouri Valley Conference for the other sports. I suspect this is what they're waiting on getting sorted before accepting the MWC offer or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 hot take NIU leaving is a net plus for the conference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 Just now, zippy5 said: hot take NIU leaving is a net plus for the conference Why? I do not pay much attetion to NIU's other sports. Are they a drag on basketball, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 1 minute ago, UA1996MAENG said: Why? I do not pay much attetion to NIU's other sports. Are they a drag on basketball, etc.? They're under 500 in football since 2014, their glory days are over imo. It's an outlier geography wise for travel, and they suck at basketball. See ya 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, zippy5 said: They're under 500 in football since 2014, their glory days are over imo. It's an outlier geography wise for travel, and they suck at basketball. See ya Yeah, honestly NIU/directional Michigans/Ball St do nothing for me in the MAC. Them beating Notre Dame this year was pretty sweet, but the rest of the season was a let down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 (edited) 19 minutes ago, UA1996MAENG said: Why? I do not pay much attetion to NIU's other sports. Are they a drag on basketball, etc.? 17 minutes ago, zippy5 said: They're under 500 in football since 2014, their glory days are over imo. It's an outlier geography wise for travel, and they suck at basketball. See ya @zippy5 nailed it for the most part. They're still a solid G5 football program, but they aren't the 11-12 win dominant that they were from 2010-2014. NIU isn't a draw for fans, it's a PITA to travel to, and they absolutely SUCK at basketball which is the one sport the MAC can actually profit. It says something that the new Mountain West isn't even interested in NIU's basketball program. NIU would be stupid to accept the MW offer, but it would be a good thing for the MAC to allow for more competitive schools in basketball to become members. Edited December 11 by Let'sGoZips94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 4 minutes ago, LZIp said: Yeah, honestly NIU/directional Michigans/Ball St do nothing for me in the MAC. Them beating Notre Dame this year was pretty sweet, but the rest of the season was a let down. And to be fair, I would've rooted for any G5 team (except Kent) to beat Notre Dame. It's not like NIU being the one to beat ND did anything for Akron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 (edited) In other news, the softest football program in the country resides 1.5 hours southwest of Akron. Edited December 11 by Let'sGoZips94 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 Roo Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 49 minutes ago, Hilltopper said: Don't take my comments as personal criticism of your ideas. I wish there were an easy way to raise the money too. Expand the quote boxes to see my comments. No offense taken. My point is that when you start offering solutions to a problem more solutions surface. No problem is ever solved by incessantly complaining about it. Let me give you an example. Dan Rice, the CEO of the Ohio and Erie Canalway Project, years ago wanted to improve the canal's towpath for greater public use. He had little money. He started selling a vision to many local groups showing how they could make a difference. He has raised over $31M to date in a city hit hard economically, searching for an identity and suffering from poor PR. Lock 3 park has been built downtown. Summit Lake Park is being built with shelter house, connecting towpath to downtown, boat livery, new bike paths, parking, landscaping and amenities. All because one man started selling an idea. Akron football doesn't have to be a dumpster fire. There are people who want it to be a success. Give them something to do about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 51 minutes ago, exit322 said: I would figure either Horizon League or Missouri Valley Conference for the other sports. I suspect this is what they're waiting on getting sorted before accepting the MWC offer or not. Why would the MVC want them for Olympic sports? It's a basketball first conference and NIU is horrendous. My guess is the best they could hope for would be something like the Horizon, Summit, or OVC. That's also probably why Toledo isn't taking a harder look at the invite. Toledo actually cares about basketball. They likely don't want to take a huge step down in basketball just so they can fly halfway a crossed to country to play in a slightly better G5 conference. Mind you all the best MWC football schools were raided already by the PAC-12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoZip Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, MarkWiley said: My fear is that our OOC schedule is going to get reworked over the summer for budgetary reasons. I have also heard rumblings that this is going happen… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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