kreed5120 Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 (edited) 15 minutes ago, UAZipster0305 said: I'm sorry that's upsetting to you, and I say that sincerely. The lack of success is painful for anyone who is a passionate supporter of UA, which obviously you and anyone else on this forum are. However, discussion of the past is certainly relevant to the future because we keep doing the same thing over, expecting different results. It's insane. I want to see Coach Moorhead succeed but so far he has not. Due to experiences from the past and the fact that the UA cannot afford to buy out more contracts, he should not be replaced until either he leaves on his own choosing or his contract expires. Had we done that with two prior coaches, the program and UA as a whole may be in more favorable conditions. I'm not upset. I've been fairly apathetic towards the football program ever since year 2 of Ianello. I think I've only attended 1 football game in the last decade despite only living 20 minutes away. Heck, I'm going to a tailgate for homecoming Saturday, but I'll skip the game. The program has just never given me much reason to invest my time or energy. Basketball is what I'm invested in regarding Zips athletics. I'm mainly just killing my time here until the basketball season starts. I'm not advocating firing Moorhead. Edited September 30 by kreed5120 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 2 hours ago, Hilltopper said: Lol I'll stand by my record on this forum since the day it was created. It's one thing to second guess a decision made by the AD or any other person employed by UA past or present, but it's never ok to make baseless character assassinations. But hey, ain't the internet great! Not baseless character assassination but mindful observation of his interactions with self and others. Never mind a number of his peers refer to him as Chuckles (clown). But, please continue to live in your fantasy world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 5 minutes ago, Zip_ME87 said: Not baseless character assassination but mindful observation of his interactions with self and others. Never mind a number of his peers refer to him as Chuckles (clown). But, please continue to live in your fantasy world. My point is, claiming that Guthrie's ego is preventing him from firing Moorhead is not true. I know you don't like him and that is your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 Gary Miller was a minor league president. He hired a minor league guy as his athletic director. Charles Guthrie is in way over his head. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, TennZip said: Gary Miller was a minor league president. He hired a minor league guy as his athletic director. Charles Guthrie is in way over his head. I don't know if he's in over his head or not. Maybe he's been placed in a bad situation via a vis the football program. I don't think he has much, if any, major college football experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GP1 said: I don't know if he's in over his head or not. Maybe he's been placed in a bad situation via a vis the football program. I don't think he has much, if any, major college football experience. He's in year 4 of overseeing a FBS program, and might as well have gotten a first year pass with the firing of Arth. Edited October 1 by LZIp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-zip Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 You fire Jim Dennison for Gerry Faust (after 8 win season and going to 1aa playoffs) You fire JD Brookhart for Rob Ianello (while opening a brand new stadium.....iCoach, really?) You fire Terry Bowden for Tom Arth (Bowdens are CFB royalty.....Arth was 9-13 at UTChat) What do you expect!!!??? These have got to be three of the dumbest moves in the history of CFB and have SUNK Zips football!! Especially crazy moves from a school that cannot afford buyouts!! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 16 hours ago, Zip_ME87 said: Not baseless character assassination but mindful observation of his interactions with self and others. Never mind a number of his peers refer to him as Chuckles (clown). But, please continue to live in your fantasy world. Chuckles.....😆 are there athletic department employees old enough to make a reference to a clown from an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roopride Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 Not sure what I really want to say here, but here it goes Moorehead as coach? The topic of this thread This string ask if make or break season. He has had success elsewhere right? I really don’t have much knowledge of him other than perceived as good P1 OC and again had some HC success I am not really interested in him leaving. Want him to succeed. Did I expect some more success this year, yes. Talent, def & ST finally look much improved Offense is a mystery (especially with JM as head coach) Game coaching and discipline can be questioned. I think this is why I wrote this What is all the argument or comments about on….. unsupportive organizations. Comments about how the university runs the program. Negative comments on AD I don’t really see much supporting these statements I am not trying to state there isn’t an issue here or there but I don’t see anyone spelling it out or supporting statements. And I surely don’t claim to know. Is there really these issues that would keep Joe from making progress with the program. Maybe it creates a bigger head wind but is this really the reason we are where we are? If so please explain, support, etc. Last – just some rambling I am often critical of UA. Any of us are. Some deserved. Things I have seen Loud music Game day experience could just be a whole lot better (I know you may ask me support my statement) Blocking off lot 9 for disabled parking last year Concessions Often not open. Pricing too high Show some fan appreciation, community involvement, Did I mention Game day experience???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 On 10/1/2024 at 8:46 AM, UA1996MAENG said: Chuckles.....😆 are there athletic department employees old enough to make a reference to a clown from an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show? "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants." 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 Since we're the official University partner of the Browns, when they fire Stefanski, can they also pay the rest of JoeMo's contract so we can look for new coaches together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head coach Huell Jackson Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 Joe is 3-12 in one score football games since 2022, this is a pretty damning stat. What progress has actually been made from year 1 to year 3 ? If the coach is not progressing the program, then what is the point of keeping him under the guise of anything, but we do not have the money to fire him ? Take this with a grain of salt, but two buddies of mine on the team says there's a vibe amongst current players that Moorhead will leave on his own accord by season's end, and one came to play specially for Moorhead in 2023. "My cousin's barber workers with a cousin of a family friend" type grape vine, but for what it's worth hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 26 minutes ago, Head coach Huell Jackson said: Take this with a grain of salt, but two buddies of mine on the team says there's a vibe amongst current players that Moorhead will leave on his own accord by season's end, I would have left after Kentucky bailed and they backfilled the schedule with OSU on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 A friend of mine is a financial planner. He submitted a 30 day notice to leave for another job (customary notice in his industry). He was due a bonus at the end of his term. The employer told him he was free to leave immediately. He said "Ok. I still get my bonus, right?" The employer said "no." So my friend decided he was going to stay the entire 30 days. His new employer wasn't expecting him to start for a month anyhow. The old employer subsequently stuck him in a warehouse with a card table for 30 days. My friend dutifully sat at his card table in the warehouse for 30 days, and ultimately got his bonus. I feel Guthrie is treating Moorhead is a similar manner. If/when Moorhead departs, be very scared of the next coach Guthrie hires. It has a very good chance of being much, much worse. The uneducated person with say "How can it be worse...Joe's only winning 2 games per year?" Trust me, it can. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said: I feel Guthrie is treating Moorhead is a similar manner. I don't know who the AD was that fired Arth, but I heard they did petty things to him while he was still coach like taking away his parking space. What I'm saying is if I heard this in a a bar in Charlotte, what are people around college athletics saying? Arth was a chump. Moorhead is a big name and knows a lot of people. He'll get a lot of calls from coaches interested in Akron. I doubt he'll have many good things to say about how Akron manages the athletic department. Yes CK! It can get worse. A lot worse. What do I mean by worse? Imagine a Rob Ianello hire only not because the AD is a moron, but because he is the best choice of applicants. Edited October 7 by GP1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 Not meant to get off topic but what was really infuriating about that Ianello hire was that Akron was booming at the time. Enrollment was up, new stadium, relatively new fieldhouse, Akron's athletic budget was near the top of the MAC. We then decided to cheap out on what was the most important factor to success for a college program, the coach. I'm in the camp that doesn't think we should fire Moorhead as we can't afford it. Also, who out there could you get that you confidently believe could turn Akron into a winner? I don't necessarily think Moorhead is a bad coach. He might have been a great coach for us 15 years ago when we had an adequately funded program and bright spots to sell recruits. It's much tougher to win at Akron now as the stadium has lost that new car smell, the budget has been gutted, and apathy has set in. I'm not sure Moorhead has it in him to overcome the challenges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 2 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said: A friend of mine is a financial planner. He submitted a 30 day notice to leave for another job (customary notice in his industry). He was due a bonus at the end of his term. The employer told him he was free to leave immediately. He said "Ok. I still get my bonus, right?" The employer said "no." So my friend decided he was going to stay the entire 30 days. His new employer wasn't expecting him to start for a month anyhow. The old employer subsequently stuck him in a warehouse with a card table for 30 days. My friend dutifully sat at his card table in the warehouse for 30 days, and ultimately got his bonus. I feel Guthrie is treating Moorhead is a similar manner. If/when Moorhead departs, be very scared of the next coach Guthrie hires. It has a very good chance of being much, much worse. The uneducated person with say "How can it be worse...Joe's only winning 2 games per year?" Trust me, it can. At 2-10, worse is 1-11 or 0-12 (sorry for being pedantic), and as a long-time fan and UA alumnus I don't feel the difference in those degrees of failure. Worse could also mean dropping the program outright, which is something that many G5 programs on the bottom of the NIL-Portal tidal wave will have to consider in the near future. Given the choice, I would prefer no team to annual failure ("worse" than 2-10 as you indicate). Many universities survive without football - some never had it and many dropped it for financial reasons. I do not know anything about UA's AD; I still hope that he and the new UA President will make future decisions to benefit UA and not to accept the undesirable status quo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandZip Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 At this point I kind of want to just wait and see what happens. It seems we’re headed for a separate G6 league. If that’s the case, I would want to be all in on spending to compete in that league. For now, there is zero chance a team like Akron can compete in FBS, but I also don’t want to see us drop down to FCS and admit we’re as small-time as YSU. Whether we are or not is a different debate. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 My son attended one of those snooty east coast universities. The school in question focuses on top notch D1 basketball (and has been bad at it in recent years) while sending their football team off to compete in the Patriot League. While I know many in here would oppose such a move, with the changing face of college sports and the continued misery of this football program, such a switch is looking more and more like an alternative. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 (edited) the stadium and its debt will still be there, regardless of if there's a football team or what division they play in Edited October 7 by zippy5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 10 minutes ago, ClevelandZip said: At this point I kind of want to just wait and see what happens. It seems we’re headed for a separate G6 league. If that’s the case, I would want to be all in on spending to compete in that league. For now, there is zero chance a team like Akron can compete in FBS, but I also don’t want to see us drop down to FCS and admit we’re as small-time as YSU. Whether we are or not is a different debate. The MAC can be fun. It can be exciting and surprising. The conference can put talent into the NFL sometimes. It can even beat teams it shouldn't occasionally. It is also as "small time" as it goes in CFB, and with the exception of the top 1 or 2 teams, its members would find the competition in FCS at the very least to be tight and competitive. "We" are small-time in athletics, but we are a university first and foremost - not an athletic corporation like OSU and the financial elite of the P4 (I’ll never use the term P5 because the PAC [insert number here] is not now nor will it ever be in our lifetimes a Power Conference). Maybe UA in particular and the MAC in general can find success in BB or in the olympic sports from time to time, but we are what we are, and we are what we are in a new landscape that almost overnight made being a successful G5 program and conference immeasurably more difficult (maybe impossible) than it ever was before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hilltopper Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 One thing you can always count on from the members of sports message boards is Monday morning quarterbacking. I think on the subject of the relationship between the athletic department and Joe Moorhead we lead the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 24 minutes ago, Hilltopper said: One thing you can always count on from the members of sports message boards is Monday morning quarterbacking. I think on the subject of the relationship between the athletic department and Joe Moorhead we lead the league. Considering recent budget cuts including elimination of a training table and the Kentucky to OSU stupidity, I think it's a legitimate discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoZip Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 1 hour ago, GP1 said: Considering recent budget cuts including elimination of a training table and the Kentucky to OSU stupidity, I think it's a legitimate discussion. I’ve heard this training table story a few times on here, is this confirmed? What did they have vs what do they have now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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